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I feel like I must be missing something but in the part about the relativity of simultaneity [0] I feel like this is more about the relativity of the observers
by ffwd 4y ago
I feel like I must be missing something but in the part about the relativity of simultaneity [0] I feel like this is more about the relativity of the observers and the limitations of speed of light than it is about the ontology of time itself?
The definition of "now" as when the light hits the mirror on each side is a "constructed" now, a false now if you may. It takes the light longer on the right side than the left side because she is moving through space, all that tells me is that there is no way to communicate a "now" between different observers because there can't be instantaneous communication between observers, not that time itself is relative or physical stuff itself doesn't have a constant time?
She says in the video that we have to find a way to operationalize how to find a now, to measure it empirically but maybe that's not possible without running a complete simulation after the fact.
But to me it seems not surprising that without instantaneous communication there is no way to create a "now" empirically but that doesn't mean it extends to the ontology of physical stuff itself or time itself. There would still be a time in there (you should be able to see it in a simulation?)
Also for example, if you use sound instead of light, if I'm far away from a sound source (farther than the speed of sound), and another observer is closer to it, we would not be able to use the sound source as a source "now", because I would hear it later. Is this the same type of situation or different? I feel like I must be missing something fundamental here but I'm sort of going out on a limb so please don't slaughter me :P
[0] https://youtu.be/GwzN5YwMzv0?t=542 https://youtu.be/GwzN5YwMzv0?t=542
- platz 4y agoAre you not just taking the position that the only things that exist have to be both 1) Now and 2) Here
- ffwd 4y agoI suppose so... Not sure about the second part but for the first part I think that comes from the idea that I don't think we've ever empirically or even subjectively observed the universe in any other state than "now". We've never personally nor in a scientific experiment observed any physical system being in more than one state, and that one state has to by definiton be in the "now" (Unless I am mistaken). So the past and the future states are essentially nowhere to be found in empiricism ? As for the "here" part I am not sure how to respond to that but it sounds right - any observer has to have contact in some direct way (whether with a scientific instrument or not) to the thing physical system he is observing and as such claiming anything about anything indirect or far away is very hard if not impossible so you get the "here".