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> Ctrl - F recycle > 0 matches It feels like we are trading one poison for another from a climate change perspective. Just passing down the buck.

Gustomaximus 4y ago
TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
You are correct. Nobody is recycling LFP, because there is nothing valuable to recycle.
- jillesvangurp 4y ago
  Actually, the vast majority of LFP batteries are still perfectly fine and not in any need of recycling. There's indeed nothing to recycle yet. At least not a lot. And it will be some time before that starts changing. Recycling of failing batteries and discarded cells that did not survive quality control in the factory is of course a thing. These don't end up in land fills. The materials inside them are way to valuable for that.
tuatoru 4y ago
Recycling is a last resort. The mantra goes "reduce, re-use, recycle". In that order. Recycling is a last resort. Please don't jump to it first. That's what people who want to virtue-signal do, not what smart people do. Electric cars definitely cause less harm to the natural environment and people's health wellbeing than fossil fuel powered cars, so "reduce" is covered, even if not optimally. People are also definitely re-using lithium batteries. Since lithium batteries are a new thing, there is not yet a great enough flow of worn-out batteries to justify recycling at industrial scale as yet. Those as exist are being stockpiled for this, though. And a lot of R&D work is being done to set up for recycling.
bryanlarsen 4y ago
Each kilogram of battery in an EV removes a need for about a 100kg of gasoline. I'm sure they'll be recycling those batteries in about 25 years when they'll be starting to wear out, but even if they don't we're still leaning hard on the "reduce" in the three R's mantra.
dv_dt 4y ago
Not sure what your ctrl-f is hooked to: https://brandessenceresearch.com/blog/top-5-lithium-ion-battery-recycling-companies-worldwide https://brandessenceresearch.com/blog/top-5-lithium-ion-batt...

Gustomaximus 4y ago

TheLoafOfBread 4y ago

You are correct. Nobody is recycling LFP, because there is nothing valuable to recycle.

jillesvangurp 4y ago
Actually, the vast majority of LFP batteries are still perfectly fine and not in any need of recycling. There's indeed nothing to recycle yet. At least not a lot. And it will be some time before that starts changing. Recycling of failing batteries and discarded cells that did not survive quality control in the factory is of course a thing. These don't end up in land fills. The materials inside them are way to valuable for that.

tuatoru 4y ago

Recycling is a last resort. The mantra goes "reduce, re-use, recycle". In that order. Recycling is a last resort. Please don't jump to it first. That's what people who want to virtue-signal do, not what smart people do. Electric cars definitely cause less harm to the natural environment and people's health wellbeing than fossil fuel powered cars, so "reduce" is covered, even if not optimally. People are also definitely re-using lithium batteries. Since lithium batteries are a new thing, there is not yet a great enough flow of worn-out batteries to justify recycling at industrial scale as yet. Those as exist are being stockpiled for this, though. And a lot of R&D work is being done to set up for recycling.

bryanlarsen 4y ago

Each kilogram of battery in an EV removes a need for about a 100kg of gasoline. I'm sure they'll be recycling those batteries in about 25 years when they'll be starting to wear out, but even if they don't we're still leaning hard on the "reduce" in the three R's mantra.

dv_dt 4y ago

Not sure what your ctrl-f is hooked to: https://brandessenceresearch.com/blog/top-5-lithium-ion-battery-recycling-companies-worldwide https://brandessenceresearch.com/blog/top-5-lithium-ion-batt...