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Let’s keep this generalisation to specific countries as this is not true for Baltic countries at all.

by daliusd 4y ago

saagarjha 4y ago
Let's not generalize about specific countries at all?
- mdp2021 4y ago
  This public will probably be able to understand mode (type), median and average - in general.
saiya-jin 4y ago
Well I heard conflicting info on this one from Baltic states citizens. On one side they are clearly working much more efficiently, as long term economy shows and align more with western approach to things and values. On the other side, every single person from there I've asked this specifically agreed their country is utterly corrupt mess, government after government, with tight coupling to big brother russia and mafia. Its not unique to Baltics, I come from former V4 (poland, czechoslovakia, hungary) and we have some variant of that. Legacy of our fucked up russian tyrannical overlords from cold war is still running strong through very fabric of our societies (plus last 20 years of very effective FSB/GRU psy-op to sow hatred and division all around EU to weaken it, allowed by weak politicians like Merkel).
- Etheryte 4y ago
  As someone from the Baltics, this is so out touch with reality that it's outright laughable.
- piva00 4y ago
  > On the other side, every single person from there I've asked this specifically agreed their country is utterly corrupt mess, government after government, with tight coupling to big brother russia and mafia. No, not really. For example, Estonia has been very well governed, including deep digitalisation of the economy, one of the best educational systems in the world and a complete and utter dislike/hate for all things Russian. I gather you don't know what you are talking about but painting broad strokes so wrongly over 3 States who have been peacefully revolutionised in the past 30 years is offensive.
  - spacemanmatt 4y ago
    I would defer to the background checks the U.S. military and federal government is doing in consideration of selling those Baltic states a lot of weapons. They will definitely do a better job that I ever can.
- tasubotadas 4y ago
  The story you got told is just plain wrong
- dathinab 4y ago
  > specifically agreed country is utterly corrupt mess, government after government, with tight coupling to <bad people>. Isn't that (citizens thinking that) the same for most countries in the world? Like I'm pretty sure many US citizens would say the same. Or UK citizens. Or German citizens. Or <insert EU member state> citizens. Or Singapore, Australia, china, japan. etc. through they might mean different thing when they say "corrupted mess". And yes, all the mentioned states are corrupt to different degrees in different way. But I think finding citizens which would describe their country as "corrupt mess" isn't a problem (except if they are afraid about repercussions).
picsao 4y ago

Let’s keep this generalisation to specific countries as this is not true for Baltic countries at all.

saagarjha 4y ago

Let's not generalize about specific countries at all?

mdp2021 4y ago
This public will probably be able to understand mode (type), median and average - in general.

saiya-jin 4y ago

Well I heard conflicting info on this one from Baltic states citizens. On one side they are clearly working much more efficiently, as long term economy shows and align more with western approach to things and values. On the other side, every single person from there I've asked this specifically agreed their country is utterly corrupt mess, government after government, with tight coupling to big brother russia and mafia. Its not unique to Baltics, I come from former V4 (poland, czechoslovakia, hungary) and we have some variant of that. Legacy of our fucked up russian tyrannical overlords from cold war is still running strong through very fabric of our societies (plus last 20 years of very effective FSB/GRU psy-op to sow hatred and division all around EU to weaken it, allowed by weak politicians like Merkel).

Etheryte 4y ago
As someone from the Baltics, this is so out touch with reality that it's outright laughable.
piva00 4y ago
> On the other side, every single person from there I've asked this specifically agreed their country is utterly corrupt mess, government after government, with tight coupling to big brother russia and mafia. No, not really. For example, Estonia has been very well governed, including deep digitalisation of the economy, one of the best educational systems in the world and a complete and utter dislike/hate for all things Russian. I gather you don't know what you are talking about but painting broad strokes so wrongly over 3 States who have been peacefully revolutionised in the past 30 years is offensive.
- spacemanmatt 4y ago
  I would defer to the background checks the U.S. military and federal government is doing in consideration of selling those Baltic states a lot of weapons. They will definitely do a better job that I ever can.
tasubotadas 4y ago
The story you got told is just plain wrong
dathinab 4y ago
> specifically agreed country is utterly corrupt mess, government after government, with tight coupling to <bad people>. Isn't that (citizens thinking that) the same for most countries in the world? Like I'm pretty sure many US citizens would say the same. Or UK citizens. Or German citizens. Or <insert EU member state> citizens. Or Singapore, Australia, china, japan. etc. through they might mean different thing when they say "corrupted mess". And yes, all the mentioned states are corrupt to different degrees in different way. But I think finding citizens which would describe their country as "corrupt mess" isn't a problem (except if they are afraid about repercussions).

picsao 4y ago