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> This just screams negligence to me. This is very much a default mode for ex-USSR countries, especially russia. While russian bureocracy is extremely procedur

by divan 4y ago

> This just screams negligence to me. This is very much a default mode for ex-USSR countries, especially russia. While russian bureocracy is extremely procedural, it has nothing to do with efficiency or safety (most of the regulations and laws in post-soviet countries are written not to increase safety or utility for population, but for controlling power and money flows and benefeting someone on the top).

foverzar 4y ago
- EUROCARE 4y ago
  No, there's something wrong with the people who go around this and don't say a thing because it's not even weird to them.
  - foverzar 4y ago
    - EUROCARE 4y ago
      Not letting people (and much less children) around industrial robots is not virtue signalling, it's basic safety and common sense. Where's everyone's protective headgear anyways? What if it starts spinning around because of an error in the Gcode? This thing could kill everyone around it with one swing. Where's the emergency stop button?
      - foverzar 4y ago
        Don't switch the topic. You were saying something about blaming the kid and suddenly you are discussing the safety issues. Also, you haven't seen much chess robots, have you? "Industrial robot", my ass. Have you actually seen one? The one that "could kill everyone with one swing" is a tad different.
        EUROCARE 4y ago
        I think you're mistaking me with someone else. Yep, I've seen and programmed many industrial robots. You would be surprised how easy it can be to kill a human with a swinging robotic arm, even a small one (such as the one here). Even a relatively light hit at the back of the head can be fatal.
- notch656a 4y ago
  Um the discussion was revolving around a chess tournament organized (by admission of the moscow chess open website) part of the Russian government. As you know, Russian government right now has been agressively sending tanks into neighboring nations with the very flags of the USSR, including the hammer and sickle, while that same government goes on 45 minute tirades about restoring the glory of uniting former soviet satellites. So you know this discussion about the policies of the chess organizers, the russian government, has a lot to do with the USSR.
  - foverzar 4y ago
    - notch656a 4y ago
      On a technical implementation of the robot I agree completely. On the policy level I concede I am not very familiar with policies of the USSR, but it is a policy decision of the Russian government organizer to allow the placement of the robot, a robot that many organizers would deem not safe for interaction with children. Recent policy in Russia indicates they still have a lot of legacies left from the USSR.
      - foverzar 4y ago
        Sorry, but that's called "maximalism".
- iasay 4y ago
  No it’s spot on. Check the response by the chess association. They blame the boy. In Russia, it’s your fault and there will be bureaucratic treacle to wade through instantly. I’ve worked with many people from that region over the years and dated one and it’s absolutely right. It’s also why lots of people left.
  - foverzar 4y ago
    - monkey_monkey 4y ago
      > and also project bad dating experience Um what? Maybe you should step away from the internet for a while?
      - foverzar 4y ago
        Maybe you should consider that when a person brings up their dating experience to support their spite towards some culture in a discussion about a child's broken finger, they actually couldn't care less about the child, eh? There is really no other reason to bring "I dated someone Russian" into this discussion other than spite.
        deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
    - iasay 4y ago
      Wasn’t a bad dating experience. We’re still friends. She moved out of Russia because no one would investigate why her brother disappeared on a government job. It was her problem. It was his fault. She calls her own people culturally defective.
    - MonkeyClub 4y ago
      > the robot started misbehaving Or rather, when “the device malfunctioned”. This was closer to an industrial accident, rather than to Robot Revolt. But yeah, the response is appalling.
- dang 4y ago
  Please don't take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. I know how incredibly frustrating and upsetting it is to be representing a minority point of view amid a majority who say a lot of ignorant things, as majorities everywhere do. But you still have to follow the rules, even from that position. They are here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, and if you'd please review them and stick to them in the future, we'd appreciate it. It's also very much in your interest to do so, because when you lash out, as you did here and in other places in this thread, you only reinforce the position you're arguing against and discredit the truth you're trying to represent. I've tried to explain this same point to other users in similar situations in the past. Perhaps some of those explanations would be helpful, if you or anyone want to take a look: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=truth%20discredit%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor.... One consequence of this dynamic is that the burden is much higher on the person arguing for a minority or contrarian view. You can make the point that this is not fair, and indeed the unfairness gets intensely worse, the stronger everyone's emotions are. Nonetheless, it's just the way it is. Fair or not, it's in your interest to develop the capacity to resist these temptations, and fair or not, we end up having to ban the accounts that won't—not because they're wrong, or because we disagree, but because the forum won't survive if we allow people to keep breaking these rules.
daliusd 4y ago
Let’s keep this generalisation to specific countries as this is not true for Baltic countries at all.
- saagarjha 4y ago
  Let's not generalize about specific countries at all?
  - mdp2021 4y ago
    This public will probably be able to understand mode (type), median and average - in general.
- saiya-jin 4y ago
  Well I heard conflicting info on this one from Baltic states citizens. On one side they are clearly working much more efficiently, as long term economy shows and align more with western approach to things and values. On the other side, every single person from there I've asked this specifically agreed their country is utterly corrupt mess, government after government, with tight coupling to big brother russia and mafia. Its not unique to Baltics, I come from former V4 (poland, czechoslovakia, hungary) and we have some variant of that. Legacy of our fucked up russian tyrannical overlords from cold war is still running strong through very fabric of our societies (plus last 20 years of very effective FSB/GRU psy-op to sow hatred and division all around EU to weaken it, allowed by weak politicians like Merkel).
  - Etheryte 4y ago
    As someone from the Baltics, this is so out touch with reality that it's outright laughable.
  - piva00 4y ago
    > On the other side, every single person from there I've asked this specifically agreed their country is utterly corrupt mess, government after government, with tight coupling to big brother russia and mafia. No, not really. For example, Estonia has been very well governed, including deep digitalisation of the economy, one of the best educational systems in the world and a complete and utter dislike/hate for all things Russian. I gather you don't know what you are talking about but painting broad strokes so wrongly over 3 States who have been peacefully revolutionised in the past 30 years is offensive.
TheGigaChad 4y ago
cpursley 4y ago
I understand that a whole lot of people are upset with Russia right now, but this is completely unsubstantiated.
- divan 4y ago
  May I ask how did you come to this conclusion?

by divan 4y ago

foverzar 4y ago

EUROCARE 4y ago
No, there's something wrong with the people who go around this and don't say a thing because it's not even weird to them.
- foverzar 4y ago
  - EUROCARE 4y ago
    Not letting people (and much less children) around industrial robots is not virtue signalling, it's basic safety and common sense. Where's everyone's protective headgear anyways? What if it starts spinning around because of an error in the Gcode? This thing could kill everyone around it with one swing. Where's the emergency stop button?
    - foverzar 4y ago
      Don't switch the topic. You were saying something about blaming the kid and suddenly you are discussing the safety issues. Also, you haven't seen much chess robots, have you? "Industrial robot", my ass. Have you actually seen one? The one that "could kill everyone with one swing" is a tad different.
      - EUROCARE 4y ago
        I think you're mistaking me with someone else. Yep, I've seen and programmed many industrial robots. You would be surprised how easy it can be to kill a human with a swinging robotic arm, even a small one (such as the one here). Even a relatively light hit at the back of the head can be fatal.
notch656a 4y ago
Um the discussion was revolving around a chess tournament organized (by admission of the moscow chess open website) part of the Russian government. As you know, Russian government right now has been agressively sending tanks into neighboring nations with the very flags of the USSR, including the hammer and sickle, while that same government goes on 45 minute tirades about restoring the glory of uniting former soviet satellites. So you know this discussion about the policies of the chess organizers, the russian government, has a lot to do with the USSR.
- foverzar 4y ago
  - notch656a 4y ago
    On a technical implementation of the robot I agree completely. On the policy level I concede I am not very familiar with policies of the USSR, but it is a policy decision of the Russian government organizer to allow the placement of the robot, a robot that many organizers would deem not safe for interaction with children. Recent policy in Russia indicates they still have a lot of legacies left from the USSR.
    - foverzar 4y ago
      Sorry, but that's called "maximalism".
iasay 4y ago
No it’s spot on. Check the response by the chess association. They blame the boy. In Russia, it’s your fault and there will be bureaucratic treacle to wade through instantly. I’ve worked with many people from that region over the years and dated one and it’s absolutely right. It’s also why lots of people left.
- foverzar 4y ago
  - monkey_monkey 4y ago
    > and also project bad dating experience Um what? Maybe you should step away from the internet for a while?
    - foverzar 4y ago
      Maybe you should consider that when a person brings up their dating experience to support their spite towards some culture in a discussion about a child's broken finger, they actually couldn't care less about the child, eh? There is really no other reason to bring "I dated someone Russian" into this discussion other than spite.
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
  - iasay 4y ago
    Wasn’t a bad dating experience. We’re still friends. She moved out of Russia because no one would investigate why her brother disappeared on a government job. It was her problem. It was his fault. She calls her own people culturally defective.
  - MonkeyClub 4y ago
    > the robot started misbehaving Or rather, when “the device malfunctioned”. This was closer to an industrial accident, rather than to Robot Revolt. But yeah, the response is appalling.
dang 4y ago
Please don't take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. I know how incredibly frustrating and upsetting it is to be representing a minority point of view amid a majority who say a lot of ignorant things, as majorities everywhere do. But you still have to follow the rules, even from that position. They are here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, and if you'd please review them and stick to them in the future, we'd appreciate it. It's also very much in your interest to do so, because when you lash out, as you did here and in other places in this thread, you only reinforce the position you're arguing against and discredit the truth you're trying to represent. I've tried to explain this same point to other users in similar situations in the past. Perhaps some of those explanations would be helpful, if you or anyone want to take a look: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=truth%20discredit%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor.... One consequence of this dynamic is that the burden is much higher on the person arguing for a minority or contrarian view. You can make the point that this is not fair, and indeed the unfairness gets intensely worse, the stronger everyone's emotions are. Nonetheless, it's just the way it is. Fair or not, it's in your interest to develop the capacity to resist these temptations, and fair or not, we end up having to ban the accounts that won't—not because they're wrong, or because we disagree, but because the forum won't survive if we allow people to keep breaking these rules.

daliusd 4y ago

Let’s keep this generalisation to specific countries as this is not true for Baltic countries at all.

saagarjha 4y ago
Let's not generalize about specific countries at all?
- mdp2021 4y ago
  This public will probably be able to understand mode (type), median and average - in general.
saiya-jin 4y ago
Well I heard conflicting info on this one from Baltic states citizens. On one side they are clearly working much more efficiently, as long term economy shows and align more with western approach to things and values. On the other side, every single person from there I've asked this specifically agreed their country is utterly corrupt mess, government after government, with tight coupling to big brother russia and mafia. Its not unique to Baltics, I come from former V4 (poland, czechoslovakia, hungary) and we have some variant of that. Legacy of our fucked up russian tyrannical overlords from cold war is still running strong through very fabric of our societies (plus last 20 years of very effective FSB/GRU psy-op to sow hatred and division all around EU to weaken it, allowed by weak politicians like Merkel).
- Etheryte 4y ago
  As someone from the Baltics, this is so out touch with reality that it's outright laughable.
- piva00 4y ago
  > On the other side, every single person from there I've asked this specifically agreed their country is utterly corrupt mess, government after government, with tight coupling to big brother russia and mafia. No, not really. For example, Estonia has been very well governed, including deep digitalisation of the economy, one of the best educational systems in the world and a complete and utter dislike/hate for all things Russian. I gather you don't know what you are talking about but painting broad strokes so wrongly over 3 States who have been peacefully revolutionised in the past 30 years is offensive.

TheGigaChad 4y ago

cpursley 4y ago

I understand that a whole lot of people are upset with Russia right now, but this is completely unsubstantiated.

divan 4y ago
May I ask how did you come to this conclusion?