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Yes, or the parents who let them play against it.

by twayt 4y ago

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
That's not how health and safety works, you can't just leave children near lethal machinery like chainsaws and molten metal spewing form an arc furnace after 'briefing' them.
- vba616 4y ago
  When I was a child, my mother always told me "read the manual" before using her power equipment like a tractor or chainsaw. Which I did. She grew up on a farm in the 1940s, where she got to use potentially lethal machinery as soon as she could reach the controls. Of course, if a complete manual with all safety information wasn't provided, that's clearly negligent and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    You used a chainsaw as a child? Is a child physically capable of controlling a chainsaw at all, dealing with kickback, etc?
    - vba616 4y ago
      Yes, I'm not sure of the year we got it, but it was definitely when I was between 7 and 17. It was a 2-stroke Stihl, probably the smallest they made, with an automatic brake in case of kickback. And a manual explaining how to avoid it - I never had any issue because I followed the directions. Including goggles and over the ear hearing protection.
- hinkley 4y ago
  Or next to any industrial equipment… like robot arms designed for manufacturing.
OmarAssadi 4y ago
I'm unsure which angle you're coming from with your comment, and I don't mean to assume, but I wouldn't blame the parents. And certainly, I don't think it is reasonable to expect a seven-year-old to understand the risks well. Many people have gotten used to these things having pretty high safety standards. I feel like you can't fault them for not knowing the intricacies of how the designers programmed the robot to handle movement and collisions; it's just not something everyday people will have in mind. And as a parent, you'd assume that the chess tournament wouldn't be putting a machine in the room and allowing children to play if they knew it was dangerous. I wouldn't be fuming with the chess federation either for not necessarily knowing and thinking about it, but I think their response is a bad look; it came off cold to me and like they were looking out for themselves. At the end of the day, they put it there, allowed the visitors to play against it, and something went wrong. Apologize, look into it, fix the problem, and let insurance pay for the accident. Take care of the person who got hurt in your tournament.

Yes, or the parents who let them play against it.

by twayt 4y ago

Yes, or the parents who let them play against it.

That's not how health and safety works, you can't just leave children near lethal machinery like chainsaws and molten metal spewing form an arc furnace after 'briefing' them.

vba616 4y ago
When I was a child, my mother always told me "read the manual" before using her power equipment like a tractor or chainsaw. Which I did. She grew up on a farm in the 1940s, where she got to use potentially lethal machinery as soon as she could reach the controls. Of course, if a complete manual with all safety information wasn't provided, that's clearly negligent and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  You used a chainsaw as a child? Is a child physically capable of controlling a chainsaw at all, dealing with kickback, etc?
  - vba616 4y ago
    Yes, I'm not sure of the year we got it, but it was definitely when I was between 7 and 17. It was a 2-stroke Stihl, probably the smallest they made, with an automatic brake in case of kickback. And a manual explaining how to avoid it - I never had any issue because I followed the directions. Including goggles and over the ear hearing protection.
hinkley 4y ago
Or next to any industrial equipment… like robot arms designed for manufacturing.

OmarAssadi 4y ago

I'm unsure which angle you're coming from with your comment, and I don't mean to assume, but I wouldn't blame the parents. And certainly, I don't think it is reasonable to expect a seven-year-old to understand the risks well. Many people have gotten used to these things having pretty high safety standards. I feel like you can't fault them for not knowing the intricacies of how the designers programmed the robot to handle movement and collisions; it's just not something everyday people will have in mind. And as a parent, you'd assume that the chess tournament wouldn't be putting a machine in the room and allowing children to play if they knew it was dangerous. I wouldn't be fuming with the chess federation either for not necessarily knowing and thinking about it, but I think their response is a bad look; it came off cold to me and like they were looking out for themselves. At the end of the day, they put it there, allowed the visitors to play against it, and something went wrong. Apologize, look into it, fix the problem, and let insurance pay for the accident. Take care of the person who got hurt in your tournament.