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If you drink a can every two days, great. If you get a personalized gallon sized mug with a straw filled with diet soda every day to work and are also already

If you drink a can every two days, great. If you get a personalized gallon sized mug with a straw filled with diet soda every day to work and are also already morbidly obese, maybe the drink won’t help. The second statement I’ve seen so many times in Texas :(

honkdaddy 4y ago
Very true. But if they’re morbidly obese as it is, it’s pretty likely they have a brain chemistry which responds very positively to sugary drinks, so without the diet soda it’s possible their health would be even worse. I’ve never met an obese person who liked being obese, but I’ve met lots who have a really challenging relationship with food which slowly brought them to the point they’re at now. I’m an addict as well, it’s just not as visible.
- PcChip 4y ago
  >they have a brain chemistry which responds very positively to sugary drinks I'm convinced this can be changed! I used to love sugary drinks, however after being on keto my brain adjusted and now if I even taste a real coke I'm disgusted by how sweet it is
  - bcrosby95 4y ago
    What works for you doesn't work everyone. My wife did keto and still loved her soda afterwards.
    - ihateolives 4y ago
      That's not keto then.
      - giaour 4y ago
        No true Scotsman could like soda after doing keto!
        4ad 4y ago
        You can't be in ketosis if you drink coke. Period.
        giaour 4y ago
        The convo you’re replying to is about taste preferences reverting or not after doing the keto diet. Most caloric restriction diets limit or forbid sugary drinks while you’re on the diet, so it’s no surprise the keto diet is similar in this regard.
      - spacemanmatt 4y ago
        I think OP was talking about still enjoying a soda after a sustained ketosis period.
        bcrosby95 4y ago
        Yeah, this is what I meant. It wasn't a regular thing.
    - mjthrowaway1 4y ago
      Some questions: did she go low sugar in that period? How many sodas did she drink before she backslid? I would drink at least 48oz per day. I stopped eating things with added sugar. Now a lemonade is too sweet for me. But if I drink 3-4 sodas I’m right back to where I was wanting to drink it all the time.
      - spacemanmatt 4y ago
        > low sugar Can't go into ketosis while eating sugar/starch
    - scifibestfi 4y ago
      Maybe not keto, but wouldn't eating nothing but potatoes for a month reset anyone's taste buds?
  - crmd 4y ago
    Sweets are habit forming, like cigarettes. If you avoid them for a year, for example on strict keto, it’s hard to go back because the taste is so extreme.
    - PuppyTailWags 4y ago
      I don't think this works for cigarettes, actually, because even if the taste is extreme the craving is still there. I know people who can't be around certain cigarettes when lit even years after they quit because it's their preferred brand or something.
  - linsomniac 4y ago
    Agreed. When I was in my early 20s I would drink a 2 liter bottle a day of diet coke. Today I had a fountain drink with my daughter while she was having lunch, I was hoping for iced tea but they only had sodas. I got a Coke Zero, first soda I've had in, geeze, I don't even remember. It was so sweet I had to water it down with half soda water.
TheDudeMan 4y ago
Do you have any evidence for the statement that 1 can every two days is OK, but ~7 cans every day is not OK (other than anecdotal)?
- bagacrap 4y ago
  I think there's ample evidence supporting the "already obese" part.
  - BbzzbB 4y ago
    Unless I am misunderstanding your point and you're saying there's evidence supporting the negative effects of non-sugar sweeteners for obese people, isn't this a classic case of correlation vs. causation, where observation X is seen as "ample evidence" of causation while it's merely correlated? The kind of person that'll happily drink a bucket of soda (diet or otherwise) is likely the kind of person that has an unhealthy relationship with food in the first place, with a stomach (appetite?) capable of ingesting a lot of food and liquid. Which is a category morbidly obese people fall under.
  - redox99 4y ago
    Can you show us such evidence?
    - john_minsk 4y ago
      Here is some evidence: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7014832/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7014832/
victor106 4y ago
> If you drink a can every two days, great. If you drink a can of regular Coke every two days, for most people it should be okay.
- sixseven 4y ago
  A can of soft drink every two days seems highly unhealthy to me.
  - dannyw 4y ago
    It isn't healthy, but life is about pleasure too. Gotta pick your battles.
    - throwawaycities 4y ago
      What if it wasn’t actually pleasurable, but what you are doing is feeding certain species in your microbiome that control you by telling you it is pleasurable so you continue to feed them at the expense of your own health.
      - connor4312 4y ago
        Is your microbiome not "you"? It's as active a participant in your hormone balance as any other organ in your body. You might say "I'm hungry", but it's not your rational brain deducing it's time to be hungry. Is an "I'm happy" triggered from the gut any less valid?
        hypertele-Xii 4y ago
        > Is your microbiome not "you"? It's as active a participant in your hormone balance as any other organ in your body. Your microbiome is definitely not "you". You can take antibiotics and nuke your entire microbiome, and you'll be mostly fine. Nuke "any other organ in your body" and you're gonna have much bigger problems. The tenants in an apartment are not the apartment. You're the apartment, you're letting the microbiome stay as tenants as long as they pay their rent (break difficult foods to your advantage). Unruly tenants get thrown out. Of course it takes some effort to evict - this is the craving for particular foods that must be overcome to consciously stop eating those foods.
heavyset_go 4y ago
There's close to an ounce of dissolved refined sugar in a can of soda. Hell, a can of ginger ale has almost 40 grams of sugar in it. Drinking that much sugar at once will spike your blood sugar levels and can potentially set you up for pre-diabetes if you make it a habit.
- spacemanmatt 4y ago
  Insulin tolerance is not that well known in the public sphere. But it's sure a measurable effect, and among the bigger reasons I cut way back on sugar.

honkdaddy 4y ago

Very true. But if they’re morbidly obese as it is, it’s pretty likely they have a brain chemistry which responds very positively to sugary drinks, so without the diet soda it’s possible their health would be even worse. I’ve never met an obese person who liked being obese, but I’ve met lots who have a really challenging relationship with food which slowly brought them to the point they’re at now. I’m an addict as well, it’s just not as visible.

PcChip 4y ago
>they have a brain chemistry which responds very positively to sugary drinks I'm convinced this can be changed! I used to love sugary drinks, however after being on keto my brain adjusted and now if I even taste a real coke I'm disgusted by how sweet it is
- bcrosby95 4y ago
  What works for you doesn't work everyone. My wife did keto and still loved her soda afterwards.
  - ihateolives 4y ago
    That's not keto then.
    - giaour 4y ago
      No true Scotsman could like soda after doing keto!
      - 4ad 4y ago
        You can't be in ketosis if you drink coke. Period.
        giaour 4y ago
        The convo you’re replying to is about taste preferences reverting or not after doing the keto diet. Most caloric restriction diets limit or forbid sugary drinks while you’re on the diet, so it’s no surprise the keto diet is similar in this regard.
    - spacemanmatt 4y ago
      I think OP was talking about still enjoying a soda after a sustained ketosis period.
      - bcrosby95 4y ago
        Yeah, this is what I meant. It wasn't a regular thing.
  - mjthrowaway1 4y ago
    Some questions: did she go low sugar in that period? How many sodas did she drink before she backslid? I would drink at least 48oz per day. I stopped eating things with added sugar. Now a lemonade is too sweet for me. But if I drink 3-4 sodas I’m right back to where I was wanting to drink it all the time.
    - spacemanmatt 4y ago
      > low sugar Can't go into ketosis while eating sugar/starch
  - scifibestfi 4y ago
    Maybe not keto, but wouldn't eating nothing but potatoes for a month reset anyone's taste buds?
- crmd 4y ago
  Sweets are habit forming, like cigarettes. If you avoid them for a year, for example on strict keto, it’s hard to go back because the taste is so extreme.
  - PuppyTailWags 4y ago
    I don't think this works for cigarettes, actually, because even if the taste is extreme the craving is still there. I know people who can't be around certain cigarettes when lit even years after they quit because it's their preferred brand or something.
- linsomniac 4y ago
  Agreed. When I was in my early 20s I would drink a 2 liter bottle a day of diet coke. Today I had a fountain drink with my daughter while she was having lunch, I was hoping for iced tea but they only had sodas. I got a Coke Zero, first soda I've had in, geeze, I don't even remember. It was so sweet I had to water it down with half soda water.

TheDudeMan 4y ago

Do you have any evidence for the statement that 1 can every two days is OK, but ~7 cans every day is not OK (other than anecdotal)?

bagacrap 4y ago
I think there's ample evidence supporting the "already obese" part.
- BbzzbB 4y ago
  Unless I am misunderstanding your point and you're saying there's evidence supporting the negative effects of non-sugar sweeteners for obese people, isn't this a classic case of correlation vs. causation, where observation X is seen as "ample evidence" of causation while it's merely correlated? The kind of person that'll happily drink a bucket of soda (diet or otherwise) is likely the kind of person that has an unhealthy relationship with food in the first place, with a stomach (appetite?) capable of ingesting a lot of food and liquid. Which is a category morbidly obese people fall under.
- redox99 4y ago
  Can you show us such evidence?
  - john_minsk 4y ago
    Here is some evidence: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7014832/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7014832/

victor106 4y ago

> If you drink a can every two days, great. If you drink a can of regular Coke every two days, for most people it should be okay.

sixseven 4y ago
A can of soft drink every two days seems highly unhealthy to me.
- dannyw 4y ago
  It isn't healthy, but life is about pleasure too. Gotta pick your battles.
  - throwawaycities 4y ago
    What if it wasn’t actually pleasurable, but what you are doing is feeding certain species in your microbiome that control you by telling you it is pleasurable so you continue to feed them at the expense of your own health.
    - connor4312 4y ago
      Is your microbiome not "you"? It's as active a participant in your hormone balance as any other organ in your body. You might say "I'm hungry", but it's not your rational brain deducing it's time to be hungry. Is an "I'm happy" triggered from the gut any less valid?
      - hypertele-Xii 4y ago
        > Is your microbiome not "you"? It's as active a participant in your hormone balance as any other organ in your body. Your microbiome is definitely not "you". You can take antibiotics and nuke your entire microbiome, and you'll be mostly fine. Nuke "any other organ in your body" and you're gonna have much bigger problems. The tenants in an apartment are not the apartment. You're the apartment, you're letting the microbiome stay as tenants as long as they pay their rent (break difficult foods to your advantage). Unruly tenants get thrown out. Of course it takes some effort to evict - this is the craving for particular foods that must be overcome to consciously stop eating those foods.

heavyset_go 4y ago

There's close to an ounce of dissolved refined sugar in a can of soda. Hell, a can of ginger ale has almost 40 grams of sugar in it. Drinking that much sugar at once will spike your blood sugar levels and can potentially set you up for pre-diabetes if you make it a habit.

spacemanmatt 4y ago
Insulin tolerance is not that well known in the public sphere. But it's sure a measurable effect, and among the bigger reasons I cut way back on sugar.