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Maybe you missed the part where the borders of virtually every muslim country were drawn by the west? The idea that “everyone should go back to their homeland”

Maybe you missed the part where the borders of virtually every muslim country were drawn by the west? The idea that “everyone should go back to their homeland” is laughable coming from the west… What the hell were they doing for centuries on foreign land? Ruining entire civilizations, decimating their peoples, pillaging their lands? Sending them back to the stone age? To then be offended at home by a headscarf? Sure, if you’re Shia you could go to Lebanon, Irak, Iran… or, you could go somewhere safe.

jelliclesfarm 4y ago
Sorry. I did miss the point. What is it?
- elchangri 4y ago
  The point is none of what you brought forward supports any of your points
  - jelliclesfarm 4y ago
    Ahh. Ok. I was speaking that as a person of faith, my faith is more important than fighting politics of the majority. I walk away because the space and freedom to practice my faith is more important than anything else. If democracy/secularism is the prime directive(here: France)is hostile to my daily life, then that’s a problem. It is a good thing that there are 53 countries that have declared themselves to uphold Islamic faith as their prime directive where personal faith based issues can be protected. Why isn’t this a good thing?? [..]"France is an indivisible, secular, democratic and social Republic, guaranteeing that all citizens regardless of their origin, race or religion are treated as equals before the law and respecting all religious beliefs" states the Constitution of 1958.[..]
    - elchangri 4y ago
      You keep throwing that number around like you didn’t read my first comment. If the west hadn’t destroyed/pillaged mena region things would be different. In the meantime, def a smart move for most muslims to go to the west and impose themselves. Life is better there, the place is super rich thanks to looted resources and kleptocratic foreign policy. Btw the west fertility rate is unsustainable. Someone’s gotta pay for those taxes! You should be happy
      - selimthegrim 4y ago
        Why impose? Is this just cycle of revenge? Is Algeria that f**ed? Was 1991-99 the fault of the French (besides their promotion of rampant illiteracy)
        elchangri 4y ago
        All mena countries with more than 5 million muslims are fucked. And actually yes it was in fact literally the President of France Francois Mitterand himself who gave the green light to the Algerian military to cancel the second round of elections after the Islamic party won the first by a landslide. Civil war ensued and along with it massive emigration towards France. Do you see a pattern
        selimthegrim 4y ago
        Is France pulling the strings in Tunisia now? My country gave Ben Bella the passport when he needed to go abroad to speak so I can hardly claim to be neutral here, but everything I’ve read about FIS doesn’t seem like they were that different from Taliban (I understand girls in school and not being married off were an issue)
        elchangri 4y ago
        No one in their right mind living in former french colonies believes France has stopped pulling the strings. Postcolonial Africa (fr) legit has a name: la Françafrique. Also shouldn’t it be the domestic electorate’s business if it elected the Taliban ? Or are we all of a sudden, against democracy?
        selimthegrim 4y ago
        My brother lives in Tunis (and is not always a knee jerk fan of democracy) and my friend studies it for a living and just wrote an editorial in the Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/25/tunisia-constitutional-referendum-end-democracy-experiment-arab-world/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/25/tunisia-c...) the other day, for sure I’ll ask them. If you’re going to tell me FIS/GIA ran on that platform then sure, but I somehow doubt they were upfront about girls being out of school at first.

jelliclesfarm 4y ago

Sorry. I did miss the point. What is it?

elchangri 4y ago
The point is none of what you brought forward supports any of your points
- jelliclesfarm 4y ago
  Ahh. Ok. I was speaking that as a person of faith, my faith is more important than fighting politics of the majority. I walk away because the space and freedom to practice my faith is more important than anything else. If democracy/secularism is the prime directive(here: France)is hostile to my daily life, then that’s a problem. It is a good thing that there are 53 countries that have declared themselves to uphold Islamic faith as their prime directive where personal faith based issues can be protected. Why isn’t this a good thing?? [..]"France is an indivisible, secular, democratic and social Republic, guaranteeing that all citizens regardless of their origin, race or religion are treated as equals before the law and respecting all religious beliefs" states the Constitution of 1958.[..]
  - elchangri 4y ago
    You keep throwing that number around like you didn’t read my first comment. If the west hadn’t destroyed/pillaged mena region things would be different. In the meantime, def a smart move for most muslims to go to the west and impose themselves. Life is better there, the place is super rich thanks to looted resources and kleptocratic foreign policy. Btw the west fertility rate is unsustainable. Someone’s gotta pay for those taxes! You should be happy
    - selimthegrim 4y ago
      Why impose? Is this just cycle of revenge? Is Algeria that f**ed? Was 1991-99 the fault of the French (besides their promotion of rampant illiteracy)
      - elchangri 4y ago
        All mena countries with more than 5 million muslims are fucked. And actually yes it was in fact literally the President of France Francois Mitterand himself who gave the green light to the Algerian military to cancel the second round of elections after the Islamic party won the first by a landslide. Civil war ensued and along with it massive emigration towards France. Do you see a pattern
        selimthegrim 4y ago
        Is France pulling the strings in Tunisia now? My country gave Ben Bella the passport when he needed to go abroad to speak so I can hardly claim to be neutral here, but everything I’ve read about FIS doesn’t seem like they were that different from Taliban (I understand girls in school and not being married off were an issue)
        elchangri 4y ago
        No one in their right mind living in former french colonies believes France has stopped pulling the strings. Postcolonial Africa (fr) legit has a name: la Françafrique. Also shouldn’t it be the domestic electorate’s business if it elected the Taliban ? Or are we all of a sudden, against democracy?
        selimthegrim 4y ago
        My brother lives in Tunis (and is not always a knee jerk fan of democracy) and my friend studies it for a living and just wrote an editorial in the Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/25/tunisia-constitutional-referendum-end-democracy-experiment-arab-world/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/25/tunisia-c...) the other day, for sure I’ll ask them. If you’re going to tell me FIS/GIA ran on that platform then sure, but I somehow doubt they were upfront about girls being out of school at first.