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Large amounts of sugar are so bad for you that it would be pretty obvious statistically if sweeteners were anything like as bad and they'd be banned. Somewhat

Large amounts of sugar are so bad for you that it would be pretty obvious statistically if sweeteners were anything like as bad and they'd be banned. Somewhat like how if cars were invented today they'd be deemed insanely dangerous.

fredgrott 4y ago
Not exactly true. If eat a whole orange, the fiber in the orange slows down sugar uptake whereas if I drink juice the sugar hits bloodstream much faster. And generally Phenylalanaline is better than some of the others. Why? Well because it's one step away from L-DOPA which is one step away from dopamine
- adhesive_wombat 4y ago
  Right, but "large amounts" of sugar. 250ml of juice (and yes, I know the suggest serving size of orange juice is much less than that, but it's very easy to drink a normal glass of it) is quite a few oranges. Sugar is, like everything except plutonium, fine in moderation. But "in moderation" is not how sugar occurs in many modern diets.
  - sgerenser 4y ago
    Every orange juice I’ve seen here in the US lists a serving size of 8oz or 237ml, which I wouldn’t consider “much less” than 250ml.
    - adhesive_wombat 4y ago
      It's 150ml in the UK (6 servings per litre). Unsure if that's because they don't want to write 25g of sugar on the "traffic light" label (it's about 1g per 10ml), or they want people to think the packs are bigger in terms of servings.
- polalavik 4y ago
  By what metric is it “one step”? D2O is one step away from water, but that doesn’t make it good for you.
  - chmod775 4y ago
    Your body will convert it, but your body won't convert D2O to H2O.
- PragmaticPulp 4y ago
  > And generally Phenylalanaline is better than some of the others. Why? Well because it's one step away from L-DOPA which is one step away from dopamine L-Phenylalanine is first converted to L-Tyrosine, which is then converted to L-DOPA, which is then converted to Dopamine. However, it's very misleading to reduce the body to basic formulas like this because these pathways from dietary amino acids to neurotransmitters are all regulated within the body at many different stages, so adding a little extra Phenylalanine to a meal isn't going to give you a dopamine boost. You consume a lot of Tyrosine in a standard protein like chicken breast (multiple grams, potentially) and nobody is getting high off of standard protein. The body is very good at regulating these things.
romwell 4y ago
>Somewhat like how if cars were invented today they'd be deemed insanely dangerous. The cars we have today are insanely dangerous. Cars kill about as many people as guns in the US. That's to say, they are as effective in killing people as the tools made to kill people.
- Teknoman117 4y ago
  To be fair, there are far, far more daily users of cars than firearms.
  - romwell 4y ago
    To be fair, citation needed. 33% of American households own firearms; and there are far, far more firearms owned than cars[1]. Even assuming 100% car ownership, the statement that cars kill people at 33% efficiency of tools whose sole purpose is killing people should give you a pause. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_ownership https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_ownership
    - Teknoman117 4y ago
      The reason I'm calling it a bad comparison is that you don't (typically) get into a car with the intention of killing someone. If every firearm owner decided that they were going to step outside and kill someone, millions would be dead. Deaths resulting from improper operation isn't something you can reasonably compare to using a firearm with lethal intent.
      - romwell 4y ago
        One doesn't buy a gun with the intention to kill someone either — deterrence is a commonly cited reason for gun ownership. And if every car owner decided they were going to step outside and run over someone, millions will be dead. Vehicular deaths are written off as deaths resulting from "improper operation" bevause it's profitable to treat them as such. If they did that in aviation, everything would be "pilot error", and we'd be at 1920s level of safety. Current traffic fatalities are by design. Vehicles are inherently dangerous to operate. Remarkably, the US treats both gun amd traffic fatalities as unsolvable problems stemming from "improper use" (driver error / crime), which is little more than an excuse to throw hands up in the air and solve the problems (with strong towns approach to urban planning / regulation and addressing social issues that lead to crime, respectively).
xvilka 4y ago
It's sugar that should be banned, or at least restricted content in food by the law.

fredgrott 4y ago

Not exactly true. If eat a whole orange, the fiber in the orange slows down sugar uptake whereas if I drink juice the sugar hits bloodstream much faster. And generally Phenylalanaline is better than some of the others. Why? Well because it's one step away from L-DOPA which is one step away from dopamine

adhesive_wombat 4y ago
Right, but "large amounts" of sugar. 250ml of juice (and yes, I know the suggest serving size of orange juice is much less than that, but it's very easy to drink a normal glass of it) is quite a few oranges. Sugar is, like everything except plutonium, fine in moderation. But "in moderation" is not how sugar occurs in many modern diets.
- sgerenser 4y ago
  Every orange juice I’ve seen here in the US lists a serving size of 8oz or 237ml, which I wouldn’t consider “much less” than 250ml.
  - adhesive_wombat 4y ago
    It's 150ml in the UK (6 servings per litre). Unsure if that's because they don't want to write 25g of sugar on the "traffic light" label (it's about 1g per 10ml), or they want people to think the packs are bigger in terms of servings.
polalavik 4y ago
By what metric is it “one step”? D2O is one step away from water, but that doesn’t make it good for you.
- chmod775 4y ago
  Your body will convert it, but your body won't convert D2O to H2O.
PragmaticPulp 4y ago
> And generally Phenylalanaline is better than some of the others. Why? Well because it's one step away from L-DOPA which is one step away from dopamine L-Phenylalanine is first converted to L-Tyrosine, which is then converted to L-DOPA, which is then converted to Dopamine. However, it's very misleading to reduce the body to basic formulas like this because these pathways from dietary amino acids to neurotransmitters are all regulated within the body at many different stages, so adding a little extra Phenylalanine to a meal isn't going to give you a dopamine boost. You consume a lot of Tyrosine in a standard protein like chicken breast (multiple grams, potentially) and nobody is getting high off of standard protein. The body is very good at regulating these things.

romwell 4y ago

>Somewhat like how if cars were invented today they'd be deemed insanely dangerous. The cars we have today are insanely dangerous. Cars kill about as many people as guns in the US. That's to say, they are as effective in killing people as the tools made to kill people.

Teknoman117 4y ago
To be fair, there are far, far more daily users of cars than firearms.
- romwell 4y ago
  To be fair, citation needed. 33% of American households own firearms; and there are far, far more firearms owned than cars[1]. Even assuming 100% car ownership, the statement that cars kill people at 33% efficiency of tools whose sole purpose is killing people should give you a pause. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_ownership https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_ownership
  - Teknoman117 4y ago
    The reason I'm calling it a bad comparison is that you don't (typically) get into a car with the intention of killing someone. If every firearm owner decided that they were going to step outside and kill someone, millions would be dead. Deaths resulting from improper operation isn't something you can reasonably compare to using a firearm with lethal intent.
    - romwell 4y ago
      One doesn't buy a gun with the intention to kill someone either — deterrence is a commonly cited reason for gun ownership. And if every car owner decided they were going to step outside and run over someone, millions will be dead. Vehicular deaths are written off as deaths resulting from "improper operation" bevause it's profitable to treat them as such. If they did that in aviation, everything would be "pilot error", and we'd be at 1920s level of safety. Current traffic fatalities are by design. Vehicles are inherently dangerous to operate. Remarkably, the US treats both gun amd traffic fatalities as unsolvable problems stemming from "improper use" (driver error / crime), which is little more than an excuse to throw hands up in the air and solve the problems (with strong towns approach to urban planning / regulation and addressing social issues that lead to crime, respectively).

xvilka 4y ago

It's sugar that should be banned, or at least restricted content in food by the law.