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I think the difference is that the Russian kleptoautocracy (hesitate to call it a government) do actually kill people they don’t like, and try hard to make it l

by Gatsky 4y ago

I think the difference is that the Russian kleptoautocracy (hesitate to call it a government) do actually kill people they don’t like, and try hard to make it look like an assassination by Russians.

verisimi 4y ago
You think it's OK that Zelensky has had all of his operation offshore for years? And that it's also OK that this hasn't been covered by the media? This doesn't raise any red flags for you?
- compsciphd 4y ago
  the panama papers were published in 2016. Zelensky was elected to office in 2019. i.e. while ukrainians might care that he was trying to avoid their taxman, anythign documented in them wasn't him looting the countrg or being an autocrat as he had never been involved with the government until that time. There's a fundamental difference. I personally believe only one trying to obfuscate the issue would bring it up.
  - verisimi 4y ago
    And his companies started earlier than 2016... This is a setup that is long in the making. You don't think it's problematic that the Ukrainian president is known to have off-shore companies to manage his businesses? Do you realise that lots of his governmental staff came from his TV companies? Is this not at least newsworthy? Should he fêted as he has been? Is it really OK to sweep this sort of info under the carpet? As the accounts are known, should he not be forced to open up these accounts and let us see what payments, etc he has received, in case of conflicts of interest? For me, it is amazing that the press do not talk about this. Its also a fanatic illustration of how they are just a arm of the governance structure and have little to do with serving us the truth.
- Gatsky 4y ago
  Your (bizarre) original comment was that the whistleblower should be just as worried about Ukraine coming after them. I pointed out the obvious error in this thinking, since Russia is a vicious and vindictive regime with no equal. Now you are talking about something completely different, an equally bizarre anti-Zelensky bugbear. One must question your motivation for making these comments.
  - verisimi 4y ago
    It's not bizarre to you to say 'Russia is vicious and vindictive with no equal', as if its a dog or psychopathic nutcase. As if an imagined fiction (government) can have some sort of inhuman motivations. (You know governments aren't really alive, that they don't think or act, except in the way that they are manipulated to do so by those who hold the levers power, and then by those who follow their orders, right? Its nothing except an idea, really a manipulation..) No, believing in 'Vindictive Russia' is perfectly normal, not bizarre at all. But to you, it is bizarre that I point out that Zelensky has dodgy financial dealings, and that this might be a motivation for his actions. These dealings can be verified in the Panama papers and are not in dispute. This is not information with any merit to you, apparently. And you appear to entirely ignore the point I make about the free press failing to report this information. Is there any doubt that free press is actually a public relations/messaging tool again used by those holding the levers of power, rather than faithfully relaying salient information to provide us with a full picture? No, there is no doubt.
    - Gatsky 4y ago
      Suggest you read my comment properly. I said the Russian regime is vindictive, not Russia. Characterising the Russian regime as a psychopathic nutcase would be more correct than a government, although as we have seen from their shambolic military it is probably more correct to say they are not coherently anything at all.

by Gatsky 4y ago

verisimi 4y ago

You think it's OK that Zelensky has had all of his operation offshore for years? And that it's also OK that this hasn't been covered by the media? This doesn't raise any red flags for you?

compsciphd 4y ago
the panama papers were published in 2016. Zelensky was elected to office in 2019. i.e. while ukrainians might care that he was trying to avoid their taxman, anythign documented in them wasn't him looting the countrg or being an autocrat as he had never been involved with the government until that time. There's a fundamental difference. I personally believe only one trying to obfuscate the issue would bring it up.
- verisimi 4y ago
  And his companies started earlier than 2016... This is a setup that is long in the making. You don't think it's problematic that the Ukrainian president is known to have off-shore companies to manage his businesses? Do you realise that lots of his governmental staff came from his TV companies? Is this not at least newsworthy? Should he fêted as he has been? Is it really OK to sweep this sort of info under the carpet? As the accounts are known, should he not be forced to open up these accounts and let us see what payments, etc he has received, in case of conflicts of interest? For me, it is amazing that the press do not talk about this. Its also a fanatic illustration of how they are just a arm of the governance structure and have little to do with serving us the truth.
Gatsky 4y ago
Your (bizarre) original comment was that the whistleblower should be just as worried about Ukraine coming after them. I pointed out the obvious error in this thinking, since Russia is a vicious and vindictive regime with no equal. Now you are talking about something completely different, an equally bizarre anti-Zelensky bugbear. One must question your motivation for making these comments.
- verisimi 4y ago
  It's not bizarre to you to say 'Russia is vicious and vindictive with no equal', as if its a dog or psychopathic nutcase. As if an imagined fiction (government) can have some sort of inhuman motivations. (You know governments aren't really alive, that they don't think or act, except in the way that they are manipulated to do so by those who hold the levers power, and then by those who follow their orders, right? Its nothing except an idea, really a manipulation..) No, believing in 'Vindictive Russia' is perfectly normal, not bizarre at all. But to you, it is bizarre that I point out that Zelensky has dodgy financial dealings, and that this might be a motivation for his actions. These dealings can be verified in the Panama papers and are not in dispute. This is not information with any merit to you, apparently. And you appear to entirely ignore the point I make about the free press failing to report this information. Is there any doubt that free press is actually a public relations/messaging tool again used by those holding the levers of power, rather than faithfully relaying salient information to provide us with a full picture? No, there is no doubt.
  - Gatsky 4y ago
    Suggest you read my comment properly. I said the Russian regime is vindictive, not Russia. Characterising the Russian regime as a psychopathic nutcase would be more correct than a government, although as we have seen from their shambolic military it is probably more correct to say they are not coherently anything at all.