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I think once you sign a contract with one of these providers you’re basically signing away the rights to your personal information. GDPR wont protect you from s

I think once you sign a contract with one of these providers you’re basically signing away the rights to your personal information. GDPR wont protect you from state actors trying to spy on the people, but it will allow you to ask a company to delete all personal information about you. The problem is that doing so will effectively end the service for you. If all mobile carriers start enforcing predatory contracts then I don’t know if GDPR will be very effective here. Something additional will be required to stop this tracking. As it stands right now some European countries have started forcing ISPs to save logs, that’s actually worse. We must make sure that it’s well understood that the public does not want these policies. The public must also deny any party their vote if fixing this is not in their agenda. Politicians are getting away with slowly eroding our freedoms without many people noticing or speaking about it, that has to change. We need to let them know that they have zero support from us if they decide to continue in this trajectory.

pixl97 4y ago
>If all mobile carriers start enforcing predatory contracts then I don’t know if GDPR will be very effective here. I would assume the EU would act much faster than the US to add regulation against this behavior.
AinderS 4y ago
> If all mobile carriers start enforcing predatory contracts then I don’t know if GDPR will be very effective here. I thought the GDPR didn't allow signing away of privacy? Because if it does, then it's utterly useless - every webpage comes with a 100-page terms of service these days. > As it stands right now some European countries have started forcing ISPs to save logs, that’s actually worse. In fact the European Court of Justice declared that illegal [1], yet many countries simply ignored that ruling. You would think this would result in a large media assault about "subverting the rule of law", but I guess that's only a concern when they dislike the one doing the subverting. [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-court-privacy-idUSKBN14A13I https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-court-privacy-idUSKBN1...
- mildmotive 4y ago
  > I thought the GDPR didn't allow signing away of privacy? Because if it does, then it's utterly useless - every webpage comes with a 100-page terms of service these days. If that was the case Europeans wouldn’t have been able to use services like Facebook or iCloud. > In fact the European Court of Justice declared that illegal For example, Sweden did it shortly after an ISP Bahnhof advertised to its customers that it would not save logs. What seemed at the time to have fuelled this whole thing was mostly entertainment companies pushing these policies against European countries to crack down on piracy. Obviously an unsuccessful project. Many of our politicians traded our freedoms for the sake of the entertainment industry not losing money (supposedly). It didn’t serve its purpose, rather it just gave the government(s) more power over the people.

pixl97 4y ago

>If all mobile carriers start enforcing predatory contracts then I don’t know if GDPR will be very effective here. I would assume the EU would act much faster than the US to add regulation against this behavior.

AinderS 4y ago

> If all mobile carriers start enforcing predatory contracts then I don’t know if GDPR will be very effective here. I thought the GDPR didn't allow signing away of privacy? Because if it does, then it's utterly useless - every webpage comes with a 100-page terms of service these days. > As it stands right now some European countries have started forcing ISPs to save logs, that’s actually worse. In fact the European Court of Justice declared that illegal [1], yet many countries simply ignored that ruling. You would think this would result in a large media assault about "subverting the rule of law", but I guess that's only a concern when they dislike the one doing the subverting. [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-court-privacy-idUSKBN14A13I https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-court-privacy-idUSKBN1...

mildmotive 4y ago
> I thought the GDPR didn't allow signing away of privacy? Because if it does, then it's utterly useless - every webpage comes with a 100-page terms of service these days. If that was the case Europeans wouldn’t have been able to use services like Facebook or iCloud. > In fact the European Court of Justice declared that illegal For example, Sweden did it shortly after an ISP Bahnhof advertised to its customers that it would not save logs. What seemed at the time to have fuelled this whole thing was mostly entertainment companies pushing these policies against European countries to crack down on piracy. Obviously an unsuccessful project. Many of our politicians traded our freedoms for the sake of the entertainment industry not losing money (supposedly). It didn’t serve its purpose, rather it just gave the government(s) more power over the people.