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One advantage of other technologies over solar is space efficiency. Obviously we're not physically lacking in space to install solar, but when even solar farms

One advantage of other technologies over solar is space efficiency. Obviously we're not physically lacking in space to install solar, but when even solar farms installed in the desert can be shut down by "climate activists" [1], then we really need all the help we can get [1] https://apnews.com/article/technology-government-and-politics-environment-and-nature-las-vegas-nevada-9bf3640dfefbc6f7f45a97c6810f5ff7 https://apnews.com/article/technology-government-and-politic...

boomskats 4y ago
The article you linked to states this as the reason for the project being scrapped: > But a group of residents organized as “Save Our Mesa” argued such a large installation would be an eyesore and could curtail the area’s popular recreational activities — biking, ATVs and skydiving — and deter tourists from visiting sculptor Michael Heizer’s land installation, “Double Negative.” I also searched the page and the word 'climate' doesn't appear even once. Why do you consider this to be an example of 'climate activists' shutting down a solar farm project, and do you have any other (actual) examples of it happening?
- paconbork 4y ago
  The article mentions both "conservationists" and "endangered species advocates", who I believe tend to consider themselves (and are considered by others to be) environmentalists. Here's an example of a wing of the Nevada Democratic Party (who according to their bio, want a #GreenNewDeal) also being against the development: (edit, forgot the link: https://twitter.com/LeftCaucus/status/1374527780034015244 https://twitter.com/LeftCaucus/status/1374527780034015244) For another actual example of this happening, see the scaling back of the Ivanpah Solar Power Facility
  - Schroedingersat 4y ago
    That's the biggest reach I've ever heard. Those are NIMBYS who want their view. Maybe with a mix of oil lobbyists.
  - jholman 4y ago
    You appear to think that "conservationist", "endangered species advocate" and "environmentalist" are all synonyms for "climate activist"? Your previous comment claimed there was opposition from "climate activists", and these are not examples of that. The BattleBorn situation seems to be about about tourism and similar values (not climate activism), the Ivanpah situation looks like it's about species conservation (not climate activism). Don't get me wrong, I am very frustrated by people who see themselves as environmentalists, for whom climate change (and thus non-carbon energy sources) is not the top priority. I think they have wrong priorities. But that doesn't mean they're hypocrites, they're just (IMO) wrong. All that said, I agree with your topline observation that we need all the help we can get.

boomskats 4y ago

The article you linked to states this as the reason for the project being scrapped: > But a group of residents organized as “Save Our Mesa” argued such a large installation would be an eyesore and could curtail the area’s popular recreational activities — biking, ATVs and skydiving — and deter tourists from visiting sculptor Michael Heizer’s land installation, “Double Negative.” I also searched the page and the word 'climate' doesn't appear even once. Why do you consider this to be an example of 'climate activists' shutting down a solar farm project, and do you have any other (actual) examples of it happening?

paconbork 4y ago
The article mentions both "conservationists" and "endangered species advocates", who I believe tend to consider themselves (and are considered by others to be) environmentalists. Here's an example of a wing of the Nevada Democratic Party (who according to their bio, want a #GreenNewDeal) also being against the development: (edit, forgot the link: https://twitter.com/LeftCaucus/status/1374527780034015244 https://twitter.com/LeftCaucus/status/1374527780034015244) For another actual example of this happening, see the scaling back of the Ivanpah Solar Power Facility
- Schroedingersat 4y ago
  That's the biggest reach I've ever heard. Those are NIMBYS who want their view. Maybe with a mix of oil lobbyists.
- jholman 4y ago
  You appear to think that "conservationist", "endangered species advocate" and "environmentalist" are all synonyms for "climate activist"? Your previous comment claimed there was opposition from "climate activists", and these are not examples of that. The BattleBorn situation seems to be about about tourism and similar values (not climate activism), the Ivanpah situation looks like it's about species conservation (not climate activism). Don't get me wrong, I am very frustrated by people who see themselves as environmentalists, for whom climate change (and thus non-carbon energy sources) is not the top priority. I think they have wrong priorities. But that doesn't mean they're hypocrites, they're just (IMO) wrong. All that said, I agree with your topline observation that we need all the help we can get.