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That is why you have separate business phone numbers and addresses that you should be ok with being public and are not actually used for anything serious securi

by novok 4y ago

That is why you have separate business phone numbers and addresses that you should be ok with being public and are not actually used for anything serious security wise, so you don't care if it is 'breached', because it's already publicly listed.

lapcat 4y ago
I'm a self-employed solo software developer who doesn't even use a phone for business. Your suggestion is that I buy a separate phone and permanently pay for phone service for that separate phone, just so that I can give Twitter an unimportant phone number in case they suspend my account for an insane reason and refuse my appeal, and then get hacked?
- novok 4y ago
  Or anything else for that matter, such as government forms, bank accounts, etc. The phone number doesn't have to be attached to a real device, it could be google voice or whatever else and you could expense it like a proper business expense, etc. In general it's a good idea to keep your business and personal accounts as seperate as possible. It's similar to the reason why you have separate business bank accounts, emails, domains, addresses, credit cards, etc. Phone numbers are pretty much the super cookie anti-fraud ID of today. I don't consider them private anymore, but if your disciplined about keeping profiles separated it can definitely help scope the damage.
  - lapcat 4y ago
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    - novok 4y ago
      - lapcat 4y ago
        > I'm just giving general advice about how it's good to keep things business and personal things separate in a public forum where others reading can also learn from the advice. Literally nobody on Hacker News needs this advice, and in general, unsolicited advice, especially from strangers, is unwelcome. If you have something like "here's a hidden Terminal defaults write command I discovered that is largely unknown and will solve your problem", that might be a different matter. But your advice is so obvious that it doesn't need to be said at all. In an ideal world where everyone had unlimited time, unlimited money, and no other constraints, everyone would always follow the "good advice", but in a non-ideal world there are many tradeoffs to consider, and if you're talking to a stranger, you don't know their personal tradeoffs. Of course I've thought about these things, as any intelligent person has, and made my choices based on my circumstances. There's a level of conceit in thinking that other intelligent adults need advice like this. You seem to believe you're being helpful, but effectively it's insulting the intelligence of others.
        Arnavion 4y ago
        >Literally nobody on Hacker News needs this advice, and in general, unsolicited advice, especially from strangers, is unwelcome. >There's a level of conceit in thinking that other intelligent adults need advice like this. The only conceit being displayed here is from the person who thinks they can speak for other people on what they do or don't need to know about separating accounts, especially after they themselves suffered from not separating them.
        lapcat 4y ago
        > especially after they themselves suffered from not separating them I didn't say I suffered. The odds are that I was not involved in the data breach, given that it was only a small percentage of Twitter users.
        hluska 4y ago
        You seem slightly confused. This is a public forum not a phone call. If you need some level of control over how people reply, talk to a carefully curated group of friends who will comply with your whims. This thread started off interesting and turned embarrassing.
    - majormajor 4y ago
      You're looking at HN as a conversation where someone is giving "you" unsolicited advice that you are taking as criticism instead of as a open forum where that comment is also generally useful to all the lurkers out there.
      - lapcat 4y ago
        > that comment is also generally useful to all the lurkers out there. Is it though?
        Arnavion 4y ago
        Yes it is. Ten years ago my employer asked me to make a GitHub account to contribute to the employer's open-source software on GitHub. I could've used my personal account, and plenty other employees did, but I figured it might be bad to give my employer control over it so I didn't. Today the employer has tightened control to the GH accounts - they must now SSO to the company portal, which requires doing it from a company-enrolled machine running an attested OS and browser. It's perfectly reasonable for the company to have done this, but I would've been devastated if this had happened to my personal account. Separating work accounts from personal accounts is always a good idea. Clearly at least one person in this thread did not know it, so there's no harm in telling people about it.
        lapcat 4y ago
        > Clearly at least one person in this thread did not know it, so there's no harm in telling people about it. Heh, no. I am the person who started this thread, and the only other person in this thread other than those defending unsolicited advice. I'm well aware of the possibility of separating personal and work accounts, as is almost every intelligent person. Whether they actually choose to do so or not depends on a lot of factors that are specific to their situation. "Good advice" in the abstract is not the same as the best choice for an individual at the time. It's hard to say whether I was even involved in the Twitter data breach, because 5 million is only a small subset of Twitter users, and apparently they're refusing to notify the victims. Not sure how Twitter gets away with non-disclosure.
    - 83457 4y ago
      What are you going on about? He gave perfectly reasonable advice that many consider a best practice. Hacker News is not the place to act personally attacked and offended over such simple shit.
      - lapcat 4y ago
        The commenter "novok" admitted in another reply, which was apparently flagged, that he knows me and has been following me on Twitter for years, and proceeded to give me even more unsolicited life advice. It was all very much directed at me personally.
- CameronNemo 4y ago
  jmp.chat will give you a number for $3/month. Voip.ms is cheaper, but I don't know how well it works with SMS short codes.
  - account42 4y ago
    I don't know about Twitter but many of these phone-number-for-verification schemes outright reject VOIP numbers.

by novok 4y ago

lapcat 4y ago

I'm a self-employed solo software developer who doesn't even use a phone for business. Your suggestion is that I buy a separate phone and permanently pay for phone service for that separate phone, just so that I can give Twitter an unimportant phone number in case they suspend my account for an insane reason and refuse my appeal, and then get hacked?

novok 4y ago
Or anything else for that matter, such as government forms, bank accounts, etc. The phone number doesn't have to be attached to a real device, it could be google voice or whatever else and you could expense it like a proper business expense, etc. In general it's a good idea to keep your business and personal accounts as seperate as possible. It's similar to the reason why you have separate business bank accounts, emails, domains, addresses, credit cards, etc. Phone numbers are pretty much the super cookie anti-fraud ID of today. I don't consider them private anymore, but if your disciplined about keeping profiles separated it can definitely help scope the damage.
- lapcat 4y ago
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  - novok 4y ago
    - lapcat 4y ago
      > I'm just giving general advice about how it's good to keep things business and personal things separate in a public forum where others reading can also learn from the advice. Literally nobody on Hacker News needs this advice, and in general, unsolicited advice, especially from strangers, is unwelcome. If you have something like "here's a hidden Terminal defaults write command I discovered that is largely unknown and will solve your problem", that might be a different matter. But your advice is so obvious that it doesn't need to be said at all. In an ideal world where everyone had unlimited time, unlimited money, and no other constraints, everyone would always follow the "good advice", but in a non-ideal world there are many tradeoffs to consider, and if you're talking to a stranger, you don't know their personal tradeoffs. Of course I've thought about these things, as any intelligent person has, and made my choices based on my circumstances. There's a level of conceit in thinking that other intelligent adults need advice like this. You seem to believe you're being helpful, but effectively it's insulting the intelligence of others.
      - Arnavion 4y ago
        >Literally nobody on Hacker News needs this advice, and in general, unsolicited advice, especially from strangers, is unwelcome. >There's a level of conceit in thinking that other intelligent adults need advice like this. The only conceit being displayed here is from the person who thinks they can speak for other people on what they do or don't need to know about separating accounts, especially after they themselves suffered from not separating them.
        lapcat 4y ago
        > especially after they themselves suffered from not separating them I didn't say I suffered. The odds are that I was not involved in the data breach, given that it was only a small percentage of Twitter users.
      - hluska 4y ago
        You seem slightly confused. This is a public forum not a phone call. If you need some level of control over how people reply, talk to a carefully curated group of friends who will comply with your whims. This thread started off interesting and turned embarrassing.
  - majormajor 4y ago
    You're looking at HN as a conversation where someone is giving "you" unsolicited advice that you are taking as criticism instead of as a open forum where that comment is also generally useful to all the lurkers out there.
    - lapcat 4y ago
      > that comment is also generally useful to all the lurkers out there. Is it though?
      - Arnavion 4y ago
        Yes it is. Ten years ago my employer asked me to make a GitHub account to contribute to the employer's open-source software on GitHub. I could've used my personal account, and plenty other employees did, but I figured it might be bad to give my employer control over it so I didn't. Today the employer has tightened control to the GH accounts - they must now SSO to the company portal, which requires doing it from a company-enrolled machine running an attested OS and browser. It's perfectly reasonable for the company to have done this, but I would've been devastated if this had happened to my personal account. Separating work accounts from personal accounts is always a good idea. Clearly at least one person in this thread did not know it, so there's no harm in telling people about it.
        lapcat 4y ago
        > Clearly at least one person in this thread did not know it, so there's no harm in telling people about it. Heh, no. I am the person who started this thread, and the only other person in this thread other than those defending unsolicited advice. I'm well aware of the possibility of separating personal and work accounts, as is almost every intelligent person. Whether they actually choose to do so or not depends on a lot of factors that are specific to their situation. "Good advice" in the abstract is not the same as the best choice for an individual at the time. It's hard to say whether I was even involved in the Twitter data breach, because 5 million is only a small subset of Twitter users, and apparently they're refusing to notify the victims. Not sure how Twitter gets away with non-disclosure.
  - 83457 4y ago
    What are you going on about? He gave perfectly reasonable advice that many consider a best practice. Hacker News is not the place to act personally attacked and offended over such simple shit.
    - lapcat 4y ago
      The commenter "novok" admitted in another reply, which was apparently flagged, that he knows me and has been following me on Twitter for years, and proceeded to give me even more unsolicited life advice. It was all very much directed at me personally.
CameronNemo 4y ago
jmp.chat will give you a number for $3/month. Voip.ms is cheaper, but I don't know how well it works with SMS short codes.
- account42 4y ago
  I don't know about Twitter but many of these phone-number-for-verification schemes outright reject VOIP numbers.