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If that is the case I am curious what motivates you to chime in on news about Gnome then? Gnome threads seem to bring out a lot of anti-Gnome commenters and I'

If that is the case I am curious what motivates you to chime in on news about Gnome then? Gnome threads seem to bring out a lot of anti-Gnome commenters and I've never quite understood why so many people who dislike Gnome are nevertheless compelled to continue to talk about it.

jl6 4y ago
Reasons: 1) It's not just Gnome that's affected, it's also the gtk3 FileChooserDialog, which is used by many applications (e.g. Firefox), independent of desktop environment. 2) I do actually want Gnome to succeed because I think it's healthy for the wider free software ecosystem to have a selection of high quality desktop environments available. I want to be able to recommend mainstream Linux distributions to friends without them getting tripped up by things that don't work the way they expect. I think the devs (or the HIG architects) have blundered in prioritising search over find and I want to see it corrected. I am remaining engaged by adding my voice to the growing chorus. If I disliked Gnome I'd walk away and let it stay broken.
- asoneth 4y ago
  I appreciate that you still care about getting these specific issues fixed, and I also hope they fix them. It still feels a little odd to me though, because the initial blog post is an analysis of where Gnome's committers come from. I'm not sure how these bugs tie into that. Do you make a comment to draw attention to these issues whenever the terms "Gnome" or "GTK" show up in a thread? If so that seems like a lot of dedication to a desktop environment you don't even use.
- Crysstalis 4y ago
  >1) It's not just Gnome that's affected, it's also the gtk3 FileChooserDialog, which is used by many applications (e.g. Firefox), independent of desktop environment. I do not understand this. Firefox and those other apps are not beholden to GNOME, they can implement any file chooser they have an interest in implementing. If they have chosen the same one as GNOME then it is likely because they prioritize implementing with GNOME over other things, so you will have to accept that those applications are not as interested in bothering to be independent of desktop environment. Some applications will always be like this, for example Thunar is designed for XFCE and it does not fit in so well with Plasma. >I think the devs (or the HIG architects) have blundered in prioritising search over find and I want to see it corrected. It is not useful to say this without having some kind of larger justification for it. Just repeating this is an anecdote, it is not going to change minds. If you want another anecdote, I have never liked find, I found it worse than search in every way. If I keep pushing from this angle and telling you that I want to see your opinion corrected, would that convince you? I doubt it would.

jl6 4y ago

Reasons: 1) It's not just Gnome that's affected, it's also the gtk3 FileChooserDialog, which is used by many applications (e.g. Firefox), independent of desktop environment. 2) I do actually want Gnome to succeed because I think it's healthy for the wider free software ecosystem to have a selection of high quality desktop environments available. I want to be able to recommend mainstream Linux distributions to friends without them getting tripped up by things that don't work the way they expect. I think the devs (or the HIG architects) have blundered in prioritising search over find and I want to see it corrected. I am remaining engaged by adding my voice to the growing chorus. If I disliked Gnome I'd walk away and let it stay broken.

asoneth 4y ago
I appreciate that you still care about getting these specific issues fixed, and I also hope they fix them. It still feels a little odd to me though, because the initial blog post is an analysis of where Gnome's committers come from. I'm not sure how these bugs tie into that. Do you make a comment to draw attention to these issues whenever the terms "Gnome" or "GTK" show up in a thread? If so that seems like a lot of dedication to a desktop environment you don't even use.
Crysstalis 4y ago
>1) It's not just Gnome that's affected, it's also the gtk3 FileChooserDialog, which is used by many applications (e.g. Firefox), independent of desktop environment. I do not understand this. Firefox and those other apps are not beholden to GNOME, they can implement any file chooser they have an interest in implementing. If they have chosen the same one as GNOME then it is likely because they prioritize implementing with GNOME over other things, so you will have to accept that those applications are not as interested in bothering to be independent of desktop environment. Some applications will always be like this, for example Thunar is designed for XFCE and it does not fit in so well with Plasma. >I think the devs (or the HIG architects) have blundered in prioritising search over find and I want to see it corrected. It is not useful to say this without having some kind of larger justification for it. Just repeating this is an anecdote, it is not going to change minds. If you want another anecdote, I have never liked find, I found it worse than search in every way. If I keep pushing from this angle and telling you that I want to see your opinion corrected, would that convince you? I doubt it would.