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> The accusations are pure assertions, backed up by a general suspicion of everything Chinese. > This really began with Trump, and it's been sad to watch Weste

• ncann 4y ago
  If you don't want to use stuffs from a country you viewed as adversary in your infra, government, army etc. that's totally reasonable, but just man up and say that out loud. Having these vague accusations thrown around like "Huawei phone is spying on you, and so is other Chinese brands like Xiaomi, so don't use them" is honestly just insulting as a customer when there's not a single shred of concrete evidence that something nefarious is going on.
  • richbell 4y ago
    > you don't want to use stuffs from a country you viewed as adversary in your infra, government, army etc. that's totally reasonable, but just man up and say that out loud. Having these vague accusations thrown around like "Huawei phone is spying on you, and so is other Chinese brands like Xiaomi, so don't use them" is honestly just insulting as a customer when there's not a single shred of concrete evidence that something nefarious is going on. People are saying both of those things, for the same reason. Do you not think that having unprecedented access to the data of civilians poses a risk to national security? Modern technology (smart phones, apps, websites, etc.) collects a terrifying amount of information on people. It also exerts a tremendous amount of influence, be it Facebook or China. I also think that writing off the concern as "vague accusations" misses the point. As the current top comment points out[0], it's nearly impossible to verify what a device is doing. And even if you were to somehow do a complete software audit, malicious behaviour could be patched in at any time in the future. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32201044 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32201044
    • DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
      > I also think that writing off the concern as "vague accusations" misses the point. As the current top comment points out[0], it's nearly impossible to verify what a device is doing. This is not an excuse to make accusations without any evidence. At some point, the people making these accusations have a responsibility to either show evidence for their claims or to stop making them. Huawei chips are installed all over the place, and foreign governments (namely, the US and its allies) are intensely interested in what Huawei is doing. We even know from Snowden that the NSA hacked into Huawei's internal networks and read sensitive communications between executives.[1] If Huawei is actually surreptitiously intercepting and sending foreign communications back to China, there should be evidence of that. Just saying that anything is hypothetically possible doesn't cut it. 1. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-security-china-nsa-idUSBREA2L0PD20140322 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-security-china-nsa-id...