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“Appears mild” when we don’t know a damn thing about Long COVID yet is quite the stretch.

Hellion 4y ago
Unlike Covid, which is a relatively new family of virus to us, humans have hundreds of years with this family of disease We have a much firmer foundation of understanding monkeypox and it’s long term effects
- mionhe 4y ago
  Erm, we've been dealing with coronovirus since the Spanish Flu at least. It seems that any new strain can contain surprises.
  - taktoa 4y ago
    Spanish flu is an orthomyxovirus, not a coronavirus. There are some cold-causing coronaviruses though.
    - nicoburns 4y ago
      My understanding is that we don’t know for sure wha kind of virus caused Spanish flu (it occurring before our ability to analyse this kind of thing). What are you badi by your assertion that it was an orthomyxovirus on?
      - doktorhladnjak 4y ago
        Scientists have been able to retrieve genetic material from the remains of those who are confirmed to have died during that pandemic. They've effectively sequenced the genome even to know how it relates to other flu viruses https://www.news.vcu.edu/article/Genetic_sequencing_of_deadly_1918_influenza_virus_shows_link https://www.news.vcu.edu/article/Genetic_sequencing_of_deadl... You might be thinking of the 1889-90 "flu" pandemic which has been theorized to be from a coronavirus known now as OC43, but it's not certain.
- fjfaase 4y ago
  Could explain a little more what you mean. I have come to understand that covid belongs to the family of corona viruses that are responsible for about 15% of all colds. This monkeypox virus also belongs to a family of viruses that most of us got infected with as a child and that also has some long term effects as it can cause shingles. This monkeypox virus could also have unexpected long term effects with, for example, very severe forms of shingles.
  - retrac 4y ago
    No, monkeypox is unrelated to shingles/chickenpox. Despite the dual confusing names (chickenpox/varicella zoster) shingles is not an orthopoxvirus, but a herpesvirus. The herpesviruses do tend to cause chronic dormant infection which can reactivate. Monkeypox isn't new. There have been hundreds of human infections since the 1950s before this recent outbreak, and it is closely related (enough for complete-cross immunity) to the other orthopoxes, which are some of the most studied viruses ever. So we know a fair bit. Pox viruses do not cause a chronic and permanent infection. A person usually either recovers and becomes immune, or dies.
sieabahlpark 4y ago
ren_engineer 4y ago
the strongest predictor for long Covid is having a previously diagonosed anxiety disorder, hinting that long covid is mostly placebo effect https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M21-4905 https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M21-4905
- NickM 4y ago
  Anxiety is generally correlated with systemic markers of inflammation though, so there could be some hidden variables there. Perhaps having an overly sensitive immune system predisposes one to both anxiety and long Covid, or perhaps the physical effects of anxiety on the body predispose people to maladaptive immune responses to Covid, or etc. etc.
- aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
  Physical (as in, clinical?!) anxiety can be the cause of what you know as anxiety. Having had a doctor write me off as a hypochondriac because of physical anxiety I was experiencing due to a toxicity issue...I can safely say your medical beliefs are potentially dangerous to others.

Unlike Covid, which is a relatively new family of virus to us, humans have hundreds of years with this family of disease We have a much firmer foundation of understanding monkeypox and it’s long term effects

mionhe 4y ago
Erm, we've been dealing with coronovirus since the Spanish Flu at least. It seems that any new strain can contain surprises.
- taktoa 4y ago
  Spanish flu is an orthomyxovirus, not a coronavirus. There are some cold-causing coronaviruses though.
  - nicoburns 4y ago
    My understanding is that we don’t know for sure wha kind of virus caused Spanish flu (it occurring before our ability to analyse this kind of thing). What are you badi by your assertion that it was an orthomyxovirus on?
    - doktorhladnjak 4y ago
      Scientists have been able to retrieve genetic material from the remains of those who are confirmed to have died during that pandemic. They've effectively sequenced the genome even to know how it relates to other flu viruses https://www.news.vcu.edu/article/Genetic_sequencing_of_deadly_1918_influenza_virus_shows_link https://www.news.vcu.edu/article/Genetic_sequencing_of_deadl... You might be thinking of the 1889-90 "flu" pandemic which has been theorized to be from a coronavirus known now as OC43, but it's not certain.
fjfaase 4y ago
Could explain a little more what you mean. I have come to understand that covid belongs to the family of corona viruses that are responsible for about 15% of all colds. This monkeypox virus also belongs to a family of viruses that most of us got infected with as a child and that also has some long term effects as it can cause shingles. This monkeypox virus could also have unexpected long term effects with, for example, very severe forms of shingles.
- retrac 4y ago
  No, monkeypox is unrelated to shingles/chickenpox. Despite the dual confusing names (chickenpox/varicella zoster) shingles is not an orthopoxvirus, but a herpesvirus. The herpesviruses do tend to cause chronic dormant infection which can reactivate. Monkeypox isn't new. There have been hundreds of human infections since the 1950s before this recent outbreak, and it is closely related (enough for complete-cross immunity) to the other orthopoxes, which are some of the most studied viruses ever. So we know a fair bit. Pox viruses do not cause a chronic and permanent infection. A person usually either recovers and becomes immune, or dies.

sieabahlpark 4y ago

ren_engineer 4y ago

the strongest predictor for long Covid is having a previously diagonosed anxiety disorder, hinting that long covid is mostly placebo effect https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M21-4905 https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M21-4905

NickM 4y ago
Anxiety is generally correlated with systemic markers of inflammation though, so there could be some hidden variables there. Perhaps having an overly sensitive immune system predisposes one to both anxiety and long Covid, or perhaps the physical effects of anxiety on the body predispose people to maladaptive immune responses to Covid, or etc. etc.
aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
Physical (as in, clinical?!) anxiety can be the cause of what you know as anxiety. Having had a doctor write me off as a hypochondriac because of physical anxiety I was experiencing due to a toxicity issue...I can safely say your medical beliefs are potentially dangerous to others.