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The vaccine trials didn't measure hospitalization or serious illness. They didn't even show impact against mortality. Go read the trial reports! The only endpoi

The vaccine trials didn't measure hospitalization or serious illness. They didn't even show impact against mortality. Go read the trial reports! The only endpoint they cared about was PCR positivity, and they claimed it led to >90% reduction in infection. https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-vaccine-candidate-against https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-deta... "Vaccine candidate was found to be more than 90% effective in preventing COVID-19 in participants without evidence of prior SARS-CoV-2 infection in the first interim efficacy analysis" It's totally insane how in recent months some people have started trying to rewrite the history of the vaccines here. This is like the fourth time or so I've seen that claim on HN in about as many days. Do you people really think this will work? The events in question took place last year, not a century ago. Rewriting the historical record isn't going to be that easy.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> vaccine trials didn't measure hospitalization You’re partially right. Symptomatic illness was measured [1]. (Not PCR positivity.) Hospitalisation wasn’t. That said, neither was transmission. Broader point holds. > Do you people really think this will work? Your comment is strong without dipping into bizarre conspiracy theory. [1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2035389 https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2035389
- origin_path 4y ago
  I'm not alleging a conspiracy, only that this behaviour of claiming the vaccines were never meant to reduce infection is now occurring frequently, even though surely every one remembers that this isn't how it was presented at the time, at all.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > even though surely every one remembers that this isn't how it was presented at the time That the vaccine wasn’t sterilising was disappointing. But I remember clearly, in February 2021, getting it because I didn’t want to get sick. To the degree people felt misled, at least in America, that’s on the back of the news diet they choose to consume.
    - origin_path 4y ago
      News diet? You talk as if worldwide mandates and forced vaccination, all justified by the supposedly sterilising immunity, never happened at all. It's still happening though!

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> vaccine trials didn't measure hospitalization You’re partially right. Symptomatic illness was measured [1]. (Not PCR positivity.) Hospitalisation wasn’t. That said, neither was transmission. Broader point holds. > Do you people really think this will work? Your comment is strong without dipping into bizarre conspiracy theory. [1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2035389 https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2035389

origin_path 4y ago
I'm not alleging a conspiracy, only that this behaviour of claiming the vaccines were never meant to reduce infection is now occurring frequently, even though surely every one remembers that this isn't how it was presented at the time, at all.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > even though surely every one remembers that this isn't how it was presented at the time That the vaccine wasn’t sterilising was disappointing. But I remember clearly, in February 2021, getting it because I didn’t want to get sick. To the degree people felt misled, at least in America, that’s on the back of the news diet they choose to consume.
  - origin_path 4y ago
    News diet? You talk as if worldwide mandates and forced vaccination, all justified by the supposedly sterilising immunity, never happened at all. It's still happening though!