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Why? Because you can verify that someone is a student, if you try hard enough. And they're trying to get people hooked on their product, and then pay for it. O
by tgv 4y ago
Why? Because you can verify that someone is a student, if you try hard enough. And they're trying to get people hooked on their product, and then pay for it.
OTOH, college is expensive for students, why don't self-taught people have to pay tuition fees as well? I think it's obvious that the being self-taught (technically: self-teaching?) and being a student isn't the same thing.
- langarus 4y agoCollege is expensive only in USA.
- blowski 4y agoIt's not cheap in the UK.
- lesstyzing 4y agoIt’s pretty cheap. Not as cheap as it once was but £9k a year for 3 years with no difficulty in getting the loan and only having to pay it back based on income level after you graduate is a pretty good deal - particularly compared with the US.
- walthamstow 4y agoThe interest rate is RPI+4% which is such an obvious joke that they had to take 5% off the rate recently because it hit 12%, but it's still 7% interest! Those grads are never going to pay their loans off, so that's a 9% tax on their salary every month forever. The only ones who can get out are those with family who can lend/gift the money to pay the loans off.
- rowanajmarshall 4y ago> that's a 9% tax on their salary every month forever Well, 9% of your salary above £28k, and wiped 30 years after your first payment. In any case, it means no-one is too poor to study at tertiary level (recognising that there will always be circumstances that mean someone cant') while still making everything can be funded. It's not perfect, but no system is.
- Anon1096 4y ago9k per year is in line with in state tuition at a lot of schools in the US too.
- jjj123 4y agoIs it? All of the state schools near me (east coast) are like $25k/yr in state. Edit: that’s what they were 10 years ago when I was a student. I’d guess it’s more expensive now.
- BeetleB 4y agoWidely varies. I picked a random university in Scotland - the fees were just under 2000 Pounds per year if you're Scottish. The no-name University in my city in the US charges $10K.
- blowski 4y agoScottish universities are cheaper than the rest of the UK. Tuition fees for the lowest ranking uni in England (London Metropolitan University) is £9,250 per year (~$11,000).
- iamnotbrian 4y agoIt’s free in Scotland (if you’re from Scotland).
- AlchemistCamp 4y agoSomebody always pays. In this case, it's the Scottish people—both those who have and those who haven't had their own schooling subsidized.
- blowski 4y agoThis is why it would be good if the employers who benefit most from these education systems contributed more towards society. Every time a FAAMG company hires a Scottish graduate to work in London or California, the Scottish taxpayer has effectively given big tech a little subsidy.
- walthamstow 4y agoIf more Scottish grads help develop the Scottish economy then it could pay for itself, at least partially.
- unclenoriega 4y agoI'm always confused when people make this type of comment. As an American, I usually see it in discussions of health care, but also on other types of government services. Perhaps you can help. Do you think the people reading it don't know this? Are you trying to make some sort of implied argument?
- MisterBastahrd 4y agoAnd most tech companies offering services like this happen to be in the USA.
- willcipriano 4y ago> why don't self-taught people have to pay tuition fees as well? People are currently arguing that we should.
- bitexploder 4y agoHuh? You mean state/govt funded college? Or student loan debt forgiveness?
- willcipriano 4y agoStudent loan debt forgiveness.
- bandyaboot 4y agoAre you this dramatic about every form of government bailout that doesn’t directly benefit you? Edited subsidy to bailout.
- willcipriano 4y agoOnly ones that go to extremely privileged people.
- game-of-throws 4y agoBy "extremely privileged", are you referring to people whose parents didn't pay for their education and so they had to take out loans?
- willcipriano 4y agoPeople who came from backgrounds where the idea of spending a house worth of money on a piece of paper that employers aren't even interested in isn't batshit insane. Sue the school if they lied to you about the prospects of the degree. If they didn't and you went into this deal clear eyed, why am I paying for your years of partying?
- spiffytech 4y agoI had a friend who bypassed free-for-education restrictions by using an email like "johndoe@pretend.edu.mydomain.com". Turns out a lot of the code that looks for .edu emails doesn't correctly do end-of-line matching on the string.
- 7speter 4y agoA lot of sites are catching up and verifying with institutions or are asking for proof of enrollment.
- amadeuspagel 4y ago> I think it's obvious that the being self-taught (technically: self-teaching?) and being a student isn't the same thing. Sure, but why shouldn't it be treated the same for the purpose of free dev tools.
- cassianoleal 4y ago> being self-taught (...) and being a student isn't the same thing. Are they not? If you're teaching yourself, you're by definition studying the subject matter, hence you're a student. You're not a formal student but a student nonetheless. > why don't self-taught people have to pay tuition fees as well? That should be fairly obvious. Tuition fees are meant to (at least partially) pay for teachers (time, expertise), teaching infrastructure and ancillary structures to a formal education. Since you're self-teaching, you're providing all of those yourself. You could pay, but you'd pay yourself and that would be silly. Note that I'm not arguing about the general point of the OP but rather about these specific points.