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Yeah, the farmers worried about crop yields are some really bad people.

by soupbowl 4y ago

throwaway5959 4y ago
How shitty will their crop yields be when temps are 2 or 3 degrees C higher and there’s less water?
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- Ferrotin 4y ago
  They’ll be a lot higher.
  - cato_the_elder 4y ago
    And here's a paper [1] corroborating that, at least for Canadian crop yields: > Canola and wheat yields were projected to increase with global warming, while maize yield was simulated to increase or slightly decrease depending on the characteristics of the currently grown cultivar and differences among the crop models. It appears that future warming accompanied by increased CO2 concentration will remain beneficial to crop yields at the global warming level of 2.0 °C for Canada. [1]: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ab17fb https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ab17fb
    - throwaway5959 4y ago
      Ah no wonder farmers there want to support climate change.
cute_boi 4y ago
Then how are we going to solve climate issue? I don't think there is magic wand that can fix it? What ever policy you introduce there will always be minority of people that are going to suffer. Change is inevitable. Even if they don't face yeild issue today, I think with the advent of climate change and water crisis they are going to face same trouble in future. How about moving towards sustainable solution with slow changes.
- cato_the_elder 4y ago
  > I think with the advent of climate change and water crisis they are going to face same trouble in future. That's not true, at least about global warming (which is the relevant issue here) and for Canada. See my other comment below (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32205121 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32205121).
- joemazerino 4y ago
  I don't know Canada's nitrogen/carbon output offhand but I am certain it is less than India or China.
- inglor_cz 4y ago
  Medical doctors have a maxim "primum non nocere" = "first, do no harm". Don't assume that the farmers are the only ones hit and that they can be simply waved away as a minority that has to yield to progress. Destabilizing agriculture in food exporting countries is a potential threat to consumers of those calories worldwide. Humanity consists of 8 billion people, most of them living in countries that are barely self-sufficient in terms of food production or not sufficient at all. Net exporters are an important player in fight against hunger. Canada itself feeds two other Canadas abroad. If countries like Egypt or Iraq or Nigeria go off the rails because of food insecurity, there will be political instability much worse than during the War on Terror. Canada may be insulated from the consequences, Europe will definitely be not.
hotpotamus 4y ago
Gotta keep up those KPIs.

Yeah, the farmers worried about crop yields are some really bad people.

throwaway5959 4y ago

How shitty will their crop yields be when temps are 2 or 3 degrees C higher and there’s less water?

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Ferrotin 4y ago
They’ll be a lot higher.
- cato_the_elder 4y ago
  And here's a paper [1] corroborating that, at least for Canadian crop yields: > Canola and wheat yields were projected to increase with global warming, while maize yield was simulated to increase or slightly decrease depending on the characteristics of the currently grown cultivar and differences among the crop models. It appears that future warming accompanied by increased CO2 concentration will remain beneficial to crop yields at the global warming level of 2.0 °C for Canada. [1]: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ab17fb https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ab17fb
  - throwaway5959 4y ago
    Ah no wonder farmers there want to support climate change.

cute_boi 4y ago

Then how are we going to solve climate issue? I don't think there is magic wand that can fix it? What ever policy you introduce there will always be minority of people that are going to suffer. Change is inevitable. Even if they don't face yeild issue today, I think with the advent of climate change and water crisis they are going to face same trouble in future. How about moving towards sustainable solution with slow changes.

cato_the_elder 4y ago
> I think with the advent of climate change and water crisis they are going to face same trouble in future. That's not true, at least about global warming (which is the relevant issue here) and for Canada. See my other comment below (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32205121 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32205121).
joemazerino 4y ago
I don't know Canada's nitrogen/carbon output offhand but I am certain it is less than India or China.
inglor_cz 4y ago
Medical doctors have a maxim "primum non nocere" = "first, do no harm". Don't assume that the farmers are the only ones hit and that they can be simply waved away as a minority that has to yield to progress. Destabilizing agriculture in food exporting countries is a potential threat to consumers of those calories worldwide. Humanity consists of 8 billion people, most of them living in countries that are barely self-sufficient in terms of food production or not sufficient at all. Net exporters are an important player in fight against hunger. Canada itself feeds two other Canadas abroad. If countries like Egypt or Iraq or Nigeria go off the rails because of food insecurity, there will be political instability much worse than during the War on Terror. Canada may be insulated from the consequences, Europe will definitely be not.

hotpotamus 4y ago

Gotta keep up those KPIs.