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Should not be an issue in Europe. Usually homeless people have other options than sleeping in public transport here.

Ferrotin 4y ago
It helps that they have less civil rights in Europe. Or less civil liberties. In America the state is very restricted in how it can deal with the homeless.
- mdp2021 4y ago
  Please explain. You may give the idea Europe can deal with the problem through some unclear authoritarian action.
  - Ferrotin 4y ago
    The U.S., specially certain states, has what other countries would call extreme limits on its ability to deal with mentally ill vagrants. An inability to involuntarily institutionalize them, or even throw out the stuff they abandon on the sidewalk. It isn’t from lack of money spent on these people. So you see them riding the BART in San Francisco, making a nuisance of themselves, while also, the city spends a ton of money and has homeless shelters. Also, the basic ability of police to hassle people is less.
- baggachipz 4y ago
  Social safety net == "less civil rights' and "less civil liberties"? Wow, I'd love to hear how one could ever arrive at that conclusion.
- andrewaylett 4y ago
  I'm not sure exactly what sort of "dealing with" you're imaginging, but the lack of homeless folk on our public transport isn't because they've been locked up, it's because they're (for the most part) sleeping in a building. For reference: https://www.gov.scot/publications/homelessness-scotland-update-30-september-2021/pages/5/ https://www.gov.scot/publications/homelessness-scotland-upda... Only 1% of Scotland's homeless were intentionally homeless, and 4% reported sleeping rough the previous night -- a total of 690 across Scotland. Which is still 690 too many. And yes, it's not free of charge to the public purse, but it's significantly cheaper than not providing support and then needing to deal with the consequences.
- rsynnott 4y ago
  While it'll obviously vary by country, in general the state "deals with" homelessness by offering free or subsidised housing (preferable) and/or temporary and emergency accommodation. Not sure what's particularly anti-civil-liberties about that.
- juunpp 4y ago
  What are you even talking about?
odiroot 4y ago
Still a big issue in Berlin.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  Berlin is not an example of a well run city by western European standards, despite the well paid tech sector and being a capital city of Europe's strongest economy. Maybe good by Eastern European standards.
MoreSEMI 4y ago
Do you live in europe? I do and it being europe does not mean I haven’t seen homeless in public transport.

It helps that they have less civil rights in Europe. Or less civil liberties. In America the state is very restricted in how it can deal with the homeless.

mdp2021 4y ago
Please explain. You may give the idea Europe can deal with the problem through some unclear authoritarian action.
- Ferrotin 4y ago
  The U.S., specially certain states, has what other countries would call extreme limits on its ability to deal with mentally ill vagrants. An inability to involuntarily institutionalize them, or even throw out the stuff they abandon on the sidewalk. It isn’t from lack of money spent on these people. So you see them riding the BART in San Francisco, making a nuisance of themselves, while also, the city spends a ton of money and has homeless shelters. Also, the basic ability of police to hassle people is less.
baggachipz 4y ago
Social safety net == "less civil rights' and "less civil liberties"? Wow, I'd love to hear how one could ever arrive at that conclusion.
andrewaylett 4y ago
I'm not sure exactly what sort of "dealing with" you're imaginging, but the lack of homeless folk on our public transport isn't because they've been locked up, it's because they're (for the most part) sleeping in a building. For reference: https://www.gov.scot/publications/homelessness-scotland-update-30-september-2021/pages/5/ https://www.gov.scot/publications/homelessness-scotland-upda... Only 1% of Scotland's homeless were intentionally homeless, and 4% reported sleeping rough the previous night -- a total of 690 across Scotland. Which is still 690 too many. And yes, it's not free of charge to the public purse, but it's significantly cheaper than not providing support and then needing to deal with the consequences.
rsynnott 4y ago
While it'll obviously vary by country, in general the state "deals with" homelessness by offering free or subsidised housing (preferable) and/or temporary and emergency accommodation. Not sure what's particularly anti-civil-liberties about that.
juunpp 4y ago
What are you even talking about?

odiroot 4y ago

Still a big issue in Berlin.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
Berlin is not an example of a well run city by western European standards, despite the well paid tech sector and being a capital city of Europe's strongest economy. Maybe good by Eastern European standards.

MoreSEMI 4y ago

Do you live in europe? I do and it being europe does not mean I haven’t seen homeless in public transport.