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As expected, there is a significant fraction of the population that won’t change their behaviour no matter what situation presents itself. Hopefully, this can
by jleyank 4y ago
As expected, there is a significant fraction of the population that won’t change their behaviour no matter what situation presents itself. Hopefully, this can be managed by the rest of the population…. Otherwise, “gee, nobody said that would happen” or “why wasn’t this avoided/prevented” will be the cries. Call it head in the sand, or a lack of care about the future or other less nice descriptions but it’s there. People will just have to route around the damage or accept that it’s going to be bad.
- soupbowl 4y agoYeah, the farmers worried about crop yields are some really bad people.
- throwaway5959 4y agoHow shitty will their crop yields be when temps are 2 or 3 degrees C higher and there’s less water?
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- Ferrotin 4y agoThey’ll be a lot higher.
- cato_the_elder 4y agoAnd here's a paper [1] corroborating that, at least for Canadian crop yields: > Canola and wheat yields were projected to increase with global warming, while maize yield was simulated to increase or slightly decrease depending on the characteristics of the currently grown cultivar and differences among the crop models. It appears that future warming accompanied by increased CO2 concentration will remain beneficial to crop yields at the global warming level of 2.0 °C for Canada. [1]: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ab17fb https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ab17fb
- throwaway5959 4y agoAh no wonder farmers there want to support climate change.
- cute_boi 4y agoThen how are we going to solve climate issue? I don't think there is magic wand that can fix it? What ever policy you introduce there will always be minority of people that are going to suffer. Change is inevitable. Even if they don't face yeild issue today, I think with the advent of climate change and water crisis they are going to face same trouble in future. How about moving towards sustainable solution with slow changes.
- cato_the_elder 4y ago> I think with the advent of climate change and water crisis they are going to face same trouble in future. That's not true, at least about global warming (which is the relevant issue here) and for Canada. See my other comment below (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32205121 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32205121).
- joemazerino 4y agoI don't know Canada's nitrogen/carbon output offhand but I am certain it is less than India or China.
- inglor_cz 4y agoMedical doctors have a maxim "primum non nocere" = "first, do no harm". Don't assume that the farmers are the only ones hit and that they can be simply waved away as a minority that has to yield to progress. Destabilizing agriculture in food exporting countries is a potential threat to consumers of those calories worldwide. Humanity consists of 8 billion people, most of them living in countries that are barely self-sufficient in terms of food production or not sufficient at all. Net exporters are an important player in fight against hunger. Canada itself feeds two other Canadas abroad. If countries like Egypt or Iraq or Nigeria go off the rails because of food insecurity, there will be political instability much worse than during the War on Terror. Canada may be insulated from the consequences, Europe will definitely be not.
- hotpotamus 4y agoGotta keep up those KPIs.
- ribeyes 4y agotypical privileged western "humanist" demanding people die to save the climate. never a thought about second-order effects, only emotional appeals to boogeymen.
- MuchoMaas 4y agoMaybe we could start with reducing emissions by the military, one of the absolute largest sources on earth? And after that maybe ban private jets and 100,000 sq ft mansions?
- kspacewalk2 4y agoLet's reduce emissions by the military. Which country should go first?
- MuchoMaas 4y agoProbably the one that spends more on its military than the next six countries combined? The vast majority of which is dedicated to far-flung imperial projects benefitting only a tiny sliver of its populace? Why should we go first in eliminating fertilizer?
- zosima 4y agoScrewing up food production can have massive, very immediate effects that surpass even the most wildly imaginative climate change scenarios. I think a benefit/risk calculation is in order here.