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In what world are people only able to communicate with their family and friends on Facebook? Who only communicates with colleagues over Twitter?

avereveard 4y ago
Unless your family counts two you cannot possibly compare the time facetiming each one of them vs just scrolling an aggregated news feed
- Forgeties79 4y ago
  Phone call, email, text message, Viber, WhatsApp, Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat, Telegram, actually interacting in person. Half my family isn’t even on Facebook and virtually none of us even use it anymore. If that’s the only way to keep up with family then don’t act like a complete jerk online, or you know don’t harass people, and you’ll be fine. Same as regular society. Contrary to popular belief, it actually takes a lot to simply get banned. Yeah there are cases like the post above, but the reason it is even here is because it is noteworthy.
  - OrangeMonkey 4y ago
    It does not take a lot to get banned - you just have to have a stated opinion that does not correlate with a large portion of the user base. If the civil rights movement was being organized on facebook today with the culture and beliefs of the 1950's as our users, I am very confident MLK would have been banned from every service. ... and someone, somewhere, would say 'don't act like a complete jerk online, or you know don't harass people, and you'll be fine'. I don't mean this pointed at you, I completely get the feeling, but I think ignoring history and the current in/out groups is likely to lead to conclusions that are not realistic.
    - Forgeties79 4y ago
      This is an accusation by American conservatives that has little to no basis in reality. It’s just an easy source of fake outrage they don’t have to back up. You won’t get banned for “wrong think.” Look how long it took Alex Jones to get de-platformed - the dude was literally starting witch hunts with his accounts. Look, I will be the first to say we need to rein in social media companies. Their ability to shrug and say “oh well!” with no repercussions as their vaunted algorithms (mis)handle the impossibly large scale of their businesses is wrong. No other industry gets away with so much except maybe religious groups and oil/gas. That being said, we should not conflate it with the incorrect and frankly dishonest cries of “censorship” by the right. Related note: I think you’ll find this Twitter bot very interesting: https://twitter.com/facebookstop10/status/1549786281177128961?s=21&t=nQ5wPDwQs1iLL5FIkkHc_A https://twitter.com/facebookstop10/status/154978628117712896...
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haswell 4y ago
In the world we live in now. I knew a guy who was having serious financial trouble, and couldn’t afford to keep a phone line active. He relied on Facebook to stay in contact with his wife and son because he at least had access to WiFi. You can make a similar argument about phones. People can just reach each other via mail, or physically visit each other…but this doesn’t exactly constitute a healthy state of interaction. Use email you say! Almost every big email provider requires verification via phone or another email address these days. It’s legitimately getting harder and harder to communicate in these other ways. > Who only communicates with colleagues over Twitter? I don’t use Twitter much these days, but for a period of time, it was by far the easiest way to get/stay in touch with the communities I was organizing. I did dev advocacy, and if I ran a meet up somewhere, I didn’t want to just hand my phone number to a room full of people, but did want the option to stay in contact. Could I have found another solution? Yeah sure. But at the time, this seems pretty reasonable, and Twitter wasn’t yet banning people for inane things. If I lost that account now, it’d sever an entire community. Could I work around that? Sure. But downplaying the significance of these things seems short sighted. I rarely touch social media these days for many other reasons, but that is definitely an isolating choice to make in 2022.

avereveard 4y ago

Unless your family counts two you cannot possibly compare the time facetiming each one of them vs just scrolling an aggregated news feed

Forgeties79 4y ago
Phone call, email, text message, Viber, WhatsApp, Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat, Telegram, actually interacting in person. Half my family isn’t even on Facebook and virtually none of us even use it anymore. If that’s the only way to keep up with family then don’t act like a complete jerk online, or you know don’t harass people, and you’ll be fine. Same as regular society. Contrary to popular belief, it actually takes a lot to simply get banned. Yeah there are cases like the post above, but the reason it is even here is because it is noteworthy.
- OrangeMonkey 4y ago
  It does not take a lot to get banned - you just have to have a stated opinion that does not correlate with a large portion of the user base. If the civil rights movement was being organized on facebook today with the culture and beliefs of the 1950's as our users, I am very confident MLK would have been banned from every service. ... and someone, somewhere, would say 'don't act like a complete jerk online, or you know don't harass people, and you'll be fine'. I don't mean this pointed at you, I completely get the feeling, but I think ignoring history and the current in/out groups is likely to lead to conclusions that are not realistic.
  - Forgeties79 4y ago
    This is an accusation by American conservatives that has little to no basis in reality. It’s just an easy source of fake outrage they don’t have to back up. You won’t get banned for “wrong think.” Look how long it took Alex Jones to get de-platformed - the dude was literally starting witch hunts with his accounts. Look, I will be the first to say we need to rein in social media companies. Their ability to shrug and say “oh well!” with no repercussions as their vaunted algorithms (mis)handle the impossibly large scale of their businesses is wrong. No other industry gets away with so much except maybe religious groups and oil/gas. That being said, we should not conflate it with the incorrect and frankly dishonest cries of “censorship” by the right. Related note: I think you’ll find this Twitter bot very interesting: https://twitter.com/facebookstop10/status/1549786281177128961?s=21&t=nQ5wPDwQs1iLL5FIkkHc_A https://twitter.com/facebookstop10/status/154978628117712896...
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haswell 4y ago

In the world we live in now. I knew a guy who was having serious financial trouble, and couldn’t afford to keep a phone line active. He relied on Facebook to stay in contact with his wife and son because he at least had access to WiFi. You can make a similar argument about phones. People can just reach each other via mail, or physically visit each other…but this doesn’t exactly constitute a healthy state of interaction. Use email you say! Almost every big email provider requires verification via phone or another email address these days. It’s legitimately getting harder and harder to communicate in these other ways. > Who only communicates with colleagues over Twitter? I don’t use Twitter much these days, but for a period of time, it was by far the easiest way to get/stay in touch with the communities I was organizing. I did dev advocacy, and if I ran a meet up somewhere, I didn’t want to just hand my phone number to a room full of people, but did want the option to stay in contact. Could I have found another solution? Yeah sure. But at the time, this seems pretty reasonable, and Twitter wasn’t yet banning people for inane things. If I lost that account now, it’d sever an entire community. Could I work around that? Sure. But downplaying the significance of these things seems short sighted. I rarely touch social media these days for many other reasons, but that is definitely an isolating choice to make in 2022.