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I don't think a dichotomy of options between respecting every fringe idea and civil war is all there is. The fabric of society has been weakened by leaving oth

by gxt 4y ago

I don't think a dichotomy of options between respecting every fringe idea and civil war is all there is. The fabric of society has been weakened by leaving others behind, I agree and it is frustrating to me as well since it is the cause of preventable harm. The population explosion hasn't helped as well. Like many disasters it is the fruit of a combination of factors. We need institutions closer to the people, we need to be able to converse with our neighbors, we need to be able to have a voice with our institutions and never being able to even meet with our elected representatives is a major problem to which there are solutions. >This is categorically untrue. Yes. I meant in Europe. >those people were very religious Yes. However I don't think they had a choice. > Because you don't know how to communicate your views to those you disagree with without insulting them and their beliefs? That's not my intention, however if beliefs cannot be questioned there's a bigger problem at hand. If questionning beliefs results immediately in being perceived as insulting there's either a communication problem, or a misunderstood/ununderstandable morals problem. Edit: contemporary science has a lot of problems too.. to me it's just a heap of papers from citation mills. Using that for any purpose is a very delicate act.

_8j50 4y ago
> I don't think a dichotomy of options between respecting every fringe idea and civil war is all there is. Yes but extremism leads to either extremes. You don't respect a belief because you agree with it, to take the classic atheist strawman of a "sphagetti monster" of course that is ridiculous but if people in my area all believe in that and elect such a believer then I better move or get busy trying to convince those people (my neighbors) otherwise. > We need institutions closer to the people... Can't agree with you more. The technology both for communication and transport exists to have many more legislative representatives and more frequent election cycles. > However I don't think they had a choice. Perhaps they wouldn't have an option to contradict the church at the time in public but they didn't have to display and document their piery and dedication to their fairh either. Many even believed their work was an extension of their faith not s contradiction of it. > That's not my intention, however if beliefs cannot be questioned there's a bigger problem at hand I was refering to actual insults not anything you said. You can question a persons beliefs if they are willing to have that discussion with you. But you shouldn't publicly mock them or insult them or their belief beyond a respectful discourse between willing participants.

by gxt 4y ago

_8j50 4y ago

> I don't think a dichotomy of options between respecting every fringe idea and civil war is all there is. Yes but extremism leads to either extremes. You don't respect a belief because you agree with it, to take the classic atheist strawman of a "sphagetti monster" of course that is ridiculous but if people in my area all believe in that and elect such a believer then I better move or get busy trying to convince those people (my neighbors) otherwise. > We need institutions closer to the people... Can't agree with you more. The technology both for communication and transport exists to have many more legislative representatives and more frequent election cycles. > However I don't think they had a choice. Perhaps they wouldn't have an option to contradict the church at the time in public but they didn't have to display and document their piery and dedication to their fairh either. Many even believed their work was an extension of their faith not s contradiction of it. > That's not my intention, however if beliefs cannot be questioned there's a bigger problem at hand I was refering to actual insults not anything you said. You can question a persons beliefs if they are willing to have that discussion with you. But you shouldn't publicly mock them or insult them or their belief beyond a respectful discourse between willing participants.