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I haven't used KDE since the Plasma transition, when it got buggy, and according to most users' reports, stayed buggy for quite a while. Allegedly it's much be

I haven't used KDE since the Plasma transition, when it got buggy, and according to most users' reports, stayed buggy for quite a while. Allegedly it's much better now, but this string of 'we fixed all the bugs this time - promise!' posts I'm still having my reservations.

paol 4y ago
Ah, the curse of open bug tracking. Everyone is fixing bugs all the time[1], it's just that process is visible in open source apps. [1] If they're not, that's even worse.
- ekianjo 4y ago
  > Everyone is fixing bugs all the time That's not how it works. Every program that evolves also creates bugs all the time because of bad implementations, bad formulation, bad problem scoping, bad integration. If your project creates more bugs every week than it can possibly fix you can have these weekly bug fixing newsletter forever and at the same time accumulate more bugs than you ever had.
_8j50 4y ago
I stopped when it became a dependency mess. Kwallet this, avahi that and disabling things broke other things. It became too much of a burden. I love the UI better than any DE but I stick to something like openbox or enlightenment these days.
- sph 4y ago
  I hated the whole Akonadi thing, where it used to spawn on login an whole MySQL instance to store mail and other metadata. These days with 64 GB of RAM it's not a problem, but I remember it was such a heavy piece of machinery for very little benefit.
  - _8j50 4y ago
    It wasn't just the resource usage but the "attack surface" and the comfort of knowing what is running and being able to turn things off because you don't want them. Linux was always all about that control but the philosophy seems to have been lost in favor of mimmicking Macos and Windows
    - jraph 4y ago
      Akonadi used to be annoying, especially the baloo file indexer. Nowadays, you can just turn off indexing with one checkbox. And it works quite well anyway. It got a lot better. I don't bother disabling it anymore. It does not even cross my mind. A few years ago it was mandatory. Probably also because I was using spinning drives.
dagw 4y ago
I haven't used KDE since the Plasma transition, when it got buggy, and according to most users' reports, stayed buggy for quite a while I also jumped off the kde train after the 3->4 transition/train wreck. However, about a year ago I gave it another try, basically on a whim, and I was really impressed. Impressed enough that I haven't switched back to XFCE since.
minimaul 4y ago
I stopped using KDE during the KDE3 -> KDE4 transition. Loved KDE3, really didn't get on with KDE4. KDE5 has been vastly better for me - especially in the last two years or so. I don't really hit any bugs day to day.
- jraph 4y ago
  KDE verions from 4.0 to 4.4 or so were very unstable. KDE 4.5 and later were rock solid. First versions of KDE 5 were very lacking. It's now back to rock solid and much more visually pleasing and enjoyable to use than KDE 4. The Oxygen theme was very visually "heavy", its grey was quite depressing and overall did not look well. I would just get rid of it and switch to the Fusion theme. KDE 3 with its Plastik theme looked a bit more dated than Oxygen, but was way better. KDE 5's Breeze theme is perfect.
jraph 4y ago
Look closer. Most of the fixes mentioned in this weekly update are small and niche stuff you don't encounter too often. And nobody is claiming all the bugs are fixed. Quite the contrary. There is a huge effort on fixing bugs, but this desktop is overall quite stable. You can try it by yourself, but don't do this if you are happy with your current setup.

paol 4y ago

Ah, the curse of open bug tracking. Everyone is fixing bugs all the time[1], it's just that process is visible in open source apps. [1] If they're not, that's even worse.

ekianjo 4y ago
> Everyone is fixing bugs all the time That's not how it works. Every program that evolves also creates bugs all the time because of bad implementations, bad formulation, bad problem scoping, bad integration. If your project creates more bugs every week than it can possibly fix you can have these weekly bug fixing newsletter forever and at the same time accumulate more bugs than you ever had.

_8j50 4y ago

I stopped when it became a dependency mess. Kwallet this, avahi that and disabling things broke other things. It became too much of a burden. I love the UI better than any DE but I stick to something like openbox or enlightenment these days.

sph 4y ago
I hated the whole Akonadi thing, where it used to spawn on login an whole MySQL instance to store mail and other metadata. These days with 64 GB of RAM it's not a problem, but I remember it was such a heavy piece of machinery for very little benefit.
- _8j50 4y ago
  It wasn't just the resource usage but the "attack surface" and the comfort of knowing what is running and being able to turn things off because you don't want them. Linux was always all about that control but the philosophy seems to have been lost in favor of mimmicking Macos and Windows
  - jraph 4y ago
    Akonadi used to be annoying, especially the baloo file indexer. Nowadays, you can just turn off indexing with one checkbox. And it works quite well anyway. It got a lot better. I don't bother disabling it anymore. It does not even cross my mind. A few years ago it was mandatory. Probably also because I was using spinning drives.

dagw 4y ago

I haven't used KDE since the Plasma transition, when it got buggy, and according to most users' reports, stayed buggy for quite a while I also jumped off the kde train after the 3->4 transition/train wreck. However, about a year ago I gave it another try, basically on a whim, and I was really impressed. Impressed enough that I haven't switched back to XFCE since.

minimaul 4y ago

I stopped using KDE during the KDE3 -> KDE4 transition. Loved KDE3, really didn't get on with KDE4. KDE5 has been vastly better for me - especially in the last two years or so. I don't really hit any bugs day to day.

jraph 4y ago
KDE verions from 4.0 to 4.4 or so were very unstable. KDE 4.5 and later were rock solid. First versions of KDE 5 were very lacking. It's now back to rock solid and much more visually pleasing and enjoyable to use than KDE 4. The Oxygen theme was very visually "heavy", its grey was quite depressing and overall did not look well. I would just get rid of it and switch to the Fusion theme. KDE 3 with its Plastik theme looked a bit more dated than Oxygen, but was way better. KDE 5's Breeze theme is perfect.

jraph 4y ago

Look closer. Most of the fixes mentioned in this weekly update are small and niche stuff you don't encounter too often. And nobody is claiming all the bugs are fixed. Quite the contrary. There is a huge effort on fixing bugs, but this desktop is overall quite stable. You can try it by yourself, but don't do this if you are happy with your current setup.