I would listen to that podcast. The interviewer and interviewees were extremely sober about the situation. They described everything that was going on in detail

I would listen to that podcast. The interviewer and interviewees were extremely sober about the situation. They described everything that was going on in detail. None of which is in dispute. The main problem is actually population increase which is driving overconsumption of water. That is not cyclic. Climate change is exacerbating the issue.