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I don’t think I’d step foot in Italy with how their legal system works. Guilty until proven innocent.

by ianai 4y ago

JustARandomGuy 4y ago
Not knowing anything about Italy myself, can you expand or link to something describing the problems? Would like to learn more.
- Cupertino95014 4y ago
  He's probably thinking of Amanda Knox [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Knox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Knox
  - ianai 4y ago
    Hers is a good example. But realistically it’s important to be aware of differences in fundamental things like legal systems just like cultural differences when traveling or discussions like this about places expats like or don’t. You can just go on YouTube and hear accounts of this type of stuff and culture shock is real. It’s possible to get serious culture shock going from one US state to another (or town/city) so of course different countries are going to be consequential.
seanhunter 4y ago
Not sure where you got that from, but that's not how Italian law works. 'The Italian criminal system is broadly an adversarial system and is governed by the presumption of innocence. The burden of proof falls on the Public Prosecutor, who must prove the guilt of an accused person. The standard of proof required is "beyond a reasonable doubt". Unless this standard is met the defendant must be acquitted. The court must consider and evaluate any doubt a reasonable person could have.'[1] [1] https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/w-007-7826?contextData=%28sc.Default%29&transitionType=Default#co_anchor_a389887 https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/w-007-7826?contex...
- ianai 4y ago
  Quick google shows that to be not entirely accurate. It’s a complicated system in ways I wouldn’t want to go near. https://www.britannica.com/place/Italy/Justice https://www.britannica.com/place/Italy/Justice
  - mdp2021 4y ago
    It is still obscure - after having read the section in the Britannica - what you find "to be avoided".
  - SeanLuke 4y ago
    I see nothing in that link that suggests anything of the sort. The problem Amanda Knox faced -- and I presume this is really boiling down to her -- is that Italy doesn't have double jeopardy. So the prosecutor kept retrying her, and the court kept acquitting her. If you don't like that I suggest you also stay away from Japan, among many Asian countries. Though Japan has double jeopardy, sort of, police can and will arrest you, hold you for a significant amount of time, then release you prior to trial and re-arrest you again over and over again, just by adding new trivial charges. This is what happened to Carlos Ghosn (whether he deserved it is another question).
    - ianai 4y ago
      Please don’t presume to know me nor my personal thoughts. Thanks for really weirding me out.

I don’t think I’d step foot in Italy with how their legal system works. Guilty until proven innocent.

by ianai 4y ago

I don’t think I’d step foot in Italy with how their legal system works. Guilty until proven innocent.

Not knowing anything about Italy myself, can you expand or link to something describing the problems? Would like to learn more.

Cupertino95014 4y ago
He's probably thinking of Amanda Knox [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Knox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Knox
- ianai 4y ago
  Hers is a good example. But realistically it’s important to be aware of differences in fundamental things like legal systems just like cultural differences when traveling or discussions like this about places expats like or don’t. You can just go on YouTube and hear accounts of this type of stuff and culture shock is real. It’s possible to get serious culture shock going from one US state to another (or town/city) so of course different countries are going to be consequential.

seanhunter 4y ago

Not sure where you got that from, but that's not how Italian law works. 'The Italian criminal system is broadly an adversarial system and is governed by the presumption of innocence. The burden of proof falls on the Public Prosecutor, who must prove the guilt of an accused person. The standard of proof required is "beyond a reasonable doubt". Unless this standard is met the defendant must be acquitted. The court must consider and evaluate any doubt a reasonable person could have.'[1] [1] https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/w-007-7826?contextData=%28sc.Default%29&transitionType=Default#co_anchor_a389887 https://uk.practicallaw.thomsonreuters.com/w-007-7826?contex...

ianai 4y ago
Quick google shows that to be not entirely accurate. It’s a complicated system in ways I wouldn’t want to go near. https://www.britannica.com/place/Italy/Justice https://www.britannica.com/place/Italy/Justice
- mdp2021 4y ago
  It is still obscure - after having read the section in the Britannica - what you find "to be avoided".
- SeanLuke 4y ago
  I see nothing in that link that suggests anything of the sort. The problem Amanda Knox faced -- and I presume this is really boiling down to her -- is that Italy doesn't have double jeopardy. So the prosecutor kept retrying her, and the court kept acquitting her. If you don't like that I suggest you also stay away from Japan, among many Asian countries. Though Japan has double jeopardy, sort of, police can and will arrest you, hold you for a significant amount of time, then release you prior to trial and re-arrest you again over and over again, just by adding new trivial charges. This is what happened to Carlos Ghosn (whether he deserved it is another question).
  - ianai 4y ago
    Please don’t presume to know me nor my personal thoughts. Thanks for really weirding me out.