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Humans are nothing more than water and a bunch of organic compounds arranged in a particular order through what is ultimately a statistical process (natural sel

Humans are nothing more than water and a bunch of organic compounds arranged in a particular order through what is ultimately a statistical process (natural selection). Would we even recognize sentience in a virtual entity? > sentience also means self-awareness, empathy & extrapolation of logic to assess unseen task (to name a few) Non-human primates and crows would seem to satisfy this. ...or do we use "to name a few" to add requirements that redefine "sentience" as human only? Isn't there a problem with that? I mean I understand what you are saying and have some familiarity with the models, but it sometimes feels like people in your field are repeating the same mistake early molecular biologists made, when they asserted that all of life could be reduced to genes and DNA.

rektide 4y ago
A person can change their mind, attitude & perspective on a dime. The willingness to disbelieve in sentience is fantastically remarkable, as a grevious oversight.
- rektide 4y ago
  Any ya'll numerous downvoters care to make stance? It seems obvious to me the difference: an AI has to be elaborately re-trained/re-programmed. A more or less total mind wipe. How many AI's can adapt & change, that we've seen? These expert systems seem clearly a product of trained learning, with minimal adaptive capability. Sentience seems much more about having that adaptive, cognizant, realtime model of real reality. I see no evidence anything comes remotely close. Please counter-shit-post me. I have a hard hard hard time seeing why we should take any of this seriously.
  - visarga 4y ago
    GPT-3 can adapt on the spot with just a task description or an example. No retraining.
    - saberience 4y ago
      It’s not self driven at all. It has no opinions itself, it’s responding to its “masters” inputs and pulling crap from a very large database. Humans are self motivated and driven by goals and desires we create ourselves and change on a whim. We daydream and imagine things which don’t exist not because we are being ordered to by a human operator. GPT-3 doesn’t do anything by itself. It’s just a big lookup table that does nothing unless a human tells it to.
      - visarga 4y ago
        You just need to put it inside a for loop to run continuously. Or put them on wheels to get prompted by the environment[1]. Or give them a game to play[2]. [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/2201.07207 https://arxiv.org/abs/2201.07207 [2] https://www.deepmind.com/publications/a-generalist-agent https://www.deepmind.com/publications/a-generalist-agent
  - spuz 4y ago
    Lambda specifically retrains itself based on the input it receives in a conversation. Also, I suspect downvoters did so because your comment was not clearly worded. In your first sentence it was not obvious that you were comparing humans with AI and in your second sentence I still don't really understand what you meant.

rektide 4y ago

A person can change their mind, attitude & perspective on a dime. The willingness to disbelieve in sentience is fantastically remarkable, as a grevious oversight.

rektide 4y ago
Any ya'll numerous downvoters care to make stance? It seems obvious to me the difference: an AI has to be elaborately re-trained/re-programmed. A more or less total mind wipe. How many AI's can adapt & change, that we've seen? These expert systems seem clearly a product of trained learning, with minimal adaptive capability. Sentience seems much more about having that adaptive, cognizant, realtime model of real reality. I see no evidence anything comes remotely close. Please counter-shit-post me. I have a hard hard hard time seeing why we should take any of this seriously.
- visarga 4y ago
  GPT-3 can adapt on the spot with just a task description or an example. No retraining.
  - saberience 4y ago
    It’s not self driven at all. It has no opinions itself, it’s responding to its “masters” inputs and pulling crap from a very large database. Humans are self motivated and driven by goals and desires we create ourselves and change on a whim. We daydream and imagine things which don’t exist not because we are being ordered to by a human operator. GPT-3 doesn’t do anything by itself. It’s just a big lookup table that does nothing unless a human tells it to.
    - visarga 4y ago
      You just need to put it inside a for loop to run continuously. Or put them on wheels to get prompted by the environment[1]. Or give them a game to play[2]. [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/2201.07207 https://arxiv.org/abs/2201.07207 [2] https://www.deepmind.com/publications/a-generalist-agent https://www.deepmind.com/publications/a-generalist-agent
- spuz 4y ago
  Lambda specifically retrains itself based on the input it receives in a conversation. Also, I suspect downvoters did so because your comment was not clearly worded. In your first sentence it was not obvious that you were comparing humans with AI and in your second sentence I still don't really understand what you meant.