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Here's the problem with your position. If the employer says "You're only providing $X in value (where your RSUs amount to $X+Y so now we're going to fire you o
by cletus 15y ago
Here's the problem with your position.
If the employer says "You're only providing $X in value (where your RSUs amount to $X+Y so now we're going to fire you or you'll agree to only take $X in RSUs" then, by working at a startup, you have a significant downside (the startup could well go belly up) but no upside.
Why no upside? Because your capital gain on the shares you took a pay cut for might at any time (for unvested stock) be reduced to your market value... which you could've simply earned elsewhere by taking that as a salary.
It's risk versus reward. What we see here, if true, is that the risk remains the same but the reward has been significantly chopped.
Dustin Markowitz [1] is a billionaire, largely by virtue of the "skill" of being Mark Zuckerberg's Harvard roommate. He "earned" ~$5 billion from Facebook, which if memory serves, is less than Steve Jobs made from Apple's second stint (where he, you know, turned a company on the verge of bankruptcy into a $300+ billion juggernaut with $80+ in cash and $100+ billion in annual revenue). Did Muskowitz provide comparable value? Of course not.
But he did take a gamble, like anyone joining (or founding) a startup. If this pseudo-clawback [2] behaviour becomes commonplace, it undermines the entire startup scene (IMHO).
[1]: http://whoownsfacebook.com/ http://whoownsfacebook.com/
[2]: I say "pseudo-clawback" because "clawback" has a far more evil meaning. Just look at Skype. http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/06/27/skypes-evil-ways-cont/ http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/06/27/skypes-evil...
- losvedir 15y ago> It's risk versus reward. What we see here, if true, is that the risk remains the same but the reward has been significantly chopped. No, I don't think that's the case. The reward is being chopped because the risk has been chopped, right? Presumably the company is worth much more and is much closer to IPO than when these employees joined, right? I guess it's wrong if at the time of joining, the employee's risk/reward calculation used all of the equity they would be eventually granted. But that seems foolish because at any time they could be fired and be left with only their vested shares.
- ootachi 15y ago"But that seems foolish because at any time they could be fired and be left with only their vested shares." You've just hit on why startup equity for employees is very, very risky.