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replying here because of depth, but your latest response is a much more charitable and productive way of stating things, and one I fully agree with. The proble
by larve 4y ago
replying here because of depth, but your latest response is a much more charitable and productive way of stating things, and one I fully agree with.
The problem here is that the default position in society is: "you should just know intuitively what to do, and if you don't, it will be detrimental to you and your career". As you point out, being ND is not being able to intuit what is typical behavior, which means being faced with a catch-22. I can make up rules by which to play the game, but then I am by definition not intuitively handling situations. I have no way of knowing when to deviate from these rules and when not.
If you tell me "our goal is to build a great product", which is what I thoroughly enjoy, yet I am expected to play some nuanced game of kiss up to your manager, then it is no surprise that I am going to at some point call out the bullshit and leave. It is not wrong nor dysfunctional.
As illustrated by some of the responses here, NT people are not very proficient at understanding that people might play by different rules than their own either. Because are the majority, it is expected for ND people to "concede", and not the other way around.
This is where we can all make progress. Part of the more widespread recognition of neurodiversity is that it provides more tools and knowledge for neurodiverse people to work within society, but similarly, provides neurotypical people more tools and knowledge to reduce discrimination and communicate with their fellow humans.
For example, as a manager, being able to gracefully point out that the discussion is not productive, and either tabling it, or learning to listen better, or respectfully pointing out what might be going on and how to better approach such topics, rather than calling people pearl-clutchers, wrong or antagonistic, and ultimately firing them or demoting them. No-one benefits here, except maybe the manager's sense of being right.
While some aspects of being ND are handicapping by themselves (say, sensory sensitivities), operating under different assumptions and models is only so when they lead to discrimination and backlash, instead of acceptance and accomodation. As a ND, I accomodate and mask pretty much 24/7 already.
- bowsamic 4y agoI honestly would not expect NT to stop emphasising such things due to the existence of ND people. It reminds me of someone I spoke to who is upset that they were criticised for sounding monotonous when presenting but it was due to their non native English accent. I’m sorry but it isn’t realistic to expect that people are going to rewire their entire social framework in order to cater to the social differences of a small minority. If you behave inappropriately people will call it out. That’s a tough problem for those who can’t distinguish when something is not appropriate
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- larve 4y agoThat is pretty much the problem, right? "We are in the majority, so we won't really make an effort to accommodate you, too bad." Thankfully I actually see things changing. If you think it's fair to criticize people for their accents and then admonishing them for being upset, you might want to work on your empathy and social skills too.
- bowsamic 4y agoI think it’s as impossible to accept someone who breaks social barriers because they aren’t aware of them as it is to accept a murderer into the group. People are hard wired to dislike rude people. If your rudeness is caused by being ND that’s a shame but it is going to be almost impossible for people to ignore your rudeness anyway This is a fundamental difference between ableism and things like racism, often with the former there really are differences that cause problems. For example I have depression and I find it very difficult to work, but society does not accept that and nor do I expect it to. Similarly if you are autistic and take arguments too far because you think you are right, you will piss people off, and I don’t think you can expect otherwise. I would actually say you are lacking empathy here