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Screw this. I don't care if they succesfully send people to mars today, with the things Elon has been doing, the way they treat workers and the endless racism l

• kiba 4y ago
  Celebrate people's accomplishment and criticize when they make egregious mistakes. There's no need to be for all or totally against a company/person.
  • _8j50 4y ago
    I agree except willful malice is not a mistake. I will not support looking the other way because of elon's accomplishments. He is not above any rules or expectations that apply to any CEO or company.
• unnecessaryuser 4y ago
  • _8j50 4y ago
    This isn't one bit political. Don't treat people like shit, that's all. How is that political?
    • unnecessaryuser 4y ago
      • _8j50 4y ago
        TIL! Be sure to tell minorities to have skin that is less political.
• unnecessaryuser 4y ago
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  • sschueller 4y ago
    Define intelligent.
    • WalterBright 4y ago
      Intelligent - understands that Musk has contributed greatly to human progress in both space travel and electric cars.
      • camdat 4y ago
        • WalterBright 4y ago
          I'll just let that remark twist in the wind :-)
        • superchroma 4y ago
          The people with their tongues on the leather will tell you they're the smartest, I'm sure.
      • _8j50 4y ago
        "Intelligent" also knows with humans intelligence is not a binary property. Musk runs a company, his engineers and scientists accomplished things he merely provides funding, he has a good vision and he hired the right people to execute it, it is incorrect to attribute spacex's accomplishments to one man.
        • WalterBright 4y ago
          "merely"? Getting funding is absolutely crucial. Hiring the right people is also crucial. Turning them into a team is crucial. Keeping them focused on the goal and enthusiastic about it is crucial. All this requires a great deal of skill. You think it is easy? Try it yourself. Maybe start a small business. Heck, it's mid-summer. Try creating and running a lemonade stand at a profit. It's a lot harder than you may think it is.
• bdcravens 4y ago
  The alternative vendors have no shortage of similar issues.
  • _8j50 4y ago
    I disagree, when was the last time Amazon had multiple law suits for discrimination?
    • vanattab 4y ago
      I would be willing to bet amazon gets sued/settled/arbitration for discrimination fairly regularly.
      • _8j50 4y ago
        Every company including tesla does, but never $100M+ judgement and multiple suits from state governments because they refuse to change things (thanks to all the fanboys for elon no doubt). One lawsuit claims it is SOP lol.
        • vanattab 4y ago
          SOP?
          • bdcravens 4y ago
            Standard Operating Procedure
• memish 4y ago
  The workers disagree and aren't looking for a white knight. https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/SpaceX-Reviews-E40371.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/SpaceX-Reviews-E40371.htm
  • _8j50 4y ago
    Unfortunately Glassdoor reviews were not used as evidence in any of the several lawsuits. And it is the minority that aren't engineers and managers that are being mistreated
  • wahern 4y ago
    Ironically, if you read the details of the Fremont cases, the problem was perhaps the disinclination by managers (presumably disproportionately white) to intervene. Almost all the harassment was line-level employees harassing each other, and the vast majority were black and Latino employees harassing other particular black and Latino employees. It was widely reported that the N-word was regularly thrown around; less widely reported that in the vast majority of the cases (and for some plaintiffs, all the cases) it was other black employees saying the word, and despite the stereotype some of the targets (i.e. plaintiffs) found it harassing regardless of who was saying it. The managers should have gotten involved sooner, of course, thus the verdicts. But my impression is that the environment was perhaps better described as one of hazing, rather than one of pervasive racism (at least of the white supremacy variety) implied in the popular discourse. And before anyone starts justifying their outrage with arguments regarding historic power differentials, there are many similarities with the caste bias sometimes reported by and among Indians in IT, where non-Indian employees and managers are blind to much of it and hesitant to involve themselves when its brought to their attention. In those cases Indians are often overrepresented at the managerial and executive level. None of this excuses managers from accountability, but the prickliness of woke race ethics certainly doesn't make identifying and resolving the harassment any easier.
    • _8j50 4y ago
      First time around you maybe right but this keeps happening .
• vanattab 4y ago
  >Feds need to threaten Elon with cancelling Space X contracts unless he gets his shit together. When did abusing contracting, environmental reviews, and government process/prmits to address unrelated political actions become acceptable?
  • _8j50 4y ago
    The federal government is supposed to be run by elected officials so any contract with them is a contract with the people who can support or rescind any agreements with the private sector (with enough popular support of course).