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I'm not at all an Elon fanboi, but you do have to respect that launch cadence (to the degree you have to respect anything.)

candiddevmike 4y ago
Do you really think Elon had much to do with it?
- unnecessaryuser 4y ago
  We should be praising you instead, who with a bit of sarcasm demonstrates to be a world class CEO - CEO without company
  - chronic729394 4y ago
    - fooker 4y ago
      Maybe talk to people outside your bubble?
      - chronic729394 4y ago
        California, with Hollywood and Silicon Valley, is one of the leaders of American culture. If Californians are shunning Elon, you can expect the average American to also dislike Elon in the next few years.
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WalterBright 4y ago
Isn't it sad that Elon has been so successful with Tesla and SpaceX, revolutionary success at that, that people feel impelled to dis him? Let's face facts. Without Elon, there would be no SpaceX, and no Tesla. Musk deserves credit for two great achievements.
- camdat 4y ago
  Tesla already existed before Elon. Can you make the case that they wouldn't have been as successful without him? I don't see any specific performance that would indicate that he's instrumental to their success.
  - jdross 4y ago
    I hope this is trolling because the details of this are widely reported and discoverable. There is no Tesla without Elon, and there barely was an entity called Tesla before Elon. Even with Elon the company barely made it many times
    - camdat 4y ago
      > Even with Elon the company barely made it many times This is the crux of my argument. If Tesla failed, would it been because of Elon? Did X.com, Boring Co., etc fail because of Elon?
      - WalterBright 4y ago
        Yes and yes.
        camdat 4y ago
        If I were to argue that Tesla succeeded in spite of Elon, how would you disprove that? I could point to his bitcoin investments, many discrimination cases, failure to release Autopilot (against his own promises), SEC action, and Tesla share price manipulation as examples of him hurting the companies success, and directly connect them to his actions. Could you do the same for the companies success?
        WalterBright 4y ago
        > how would you disprove that? Easy. Nobody else's electric car company succeeded. What's the common factor in Tesla's and SpaceX's highly unlikely successes? Elon Musk. What's the common factor in Pixar's and Apple's recovery from near bankruptcy and catapulting to the top? Steve Jobs.
pj_mukh 4y ago
FWIW, the real puppeteer making sure the wheels don't fall off is Gwynne Shotwell. She sounds fantastic [1] [1]: https://youtu.be/1b-vAeYTxRA https://youtu.be/1b-vAeYTxRA

candiddevmike 4y ago

Do you really think Elon had much to do with it?

unnecessaryuser 4y ago
We should be praising you instead, who with a bit of sarcasm demonstrates to be a world class CEO - CEO without company
- chronic729394 4y ago
  - fooker 4y ago
    Maybe talk to people outside your bubble?
    - chronic729394 4y ago
      California, with Hollywood and Silicon Valley, is one of the leaders of American culture. If Californians are shunning Elon, you can expect the average American to also dislike Elon in the next few years.
      - deleted 4y ago
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WalterBright 4y ago

Isn't it sad that Elon has been so successful with Tesla and SpaceX, revolutionary success at that, that people feel impelled to dis him? Let's face facts. Without Elon, there would be no SpaceX, and no Tesla. Musk deserves credit for two great achievements.

camdat 4y ago
Tesla already existed before Elon. Can you make the case that they wouldn't have been as successful without him? I don't see any specific performance that would indicate that he's instrumental to their success.
- jdross 4y ago
  I hope this is trolling because the details of this are widely reported and discoverable. There is no Tesla without Elon, and there barely was an entity called Tesla before Elon. Even with Elon the company barely made it many times
  - camdat 4y ago
    > Even with Elon the company barely made it many times This is the crux of my argument. If Tesla failed, would it been because of Elon? Did X.com, Boring Co., etc fail because of Elon?
    - WalterBright 4y ago
      Yes and yes.
      - camdat 4y ago
        If I were to argue that Tesla succeeded in spite of Elon, how would you disprove that? I could point to his bitcoin investments, many discrimination cases, failure to release Autopilot (against his own promises), SEC action, and Tesla share price manipulation as examples of him hurting the companies success, and directly connect them to his actions. Could you do the same for the companies success?
        WalterBright 4y ago
        > how would you disprove that? Easy. Nobody else's electric car company succeeded. What's the common factor in Tesla's and SpaceX's highly unlikely successes? Elon Musk. What's the common factor in Pixar's and Apple's recovery from near bankruptcy and catapulting to the top? Steve Jobs.

pj_mukh 4y ago

FWIW, the real puppeteer making sure the wheels don't fall off is Gwynne Shotwell. She sounds fantastic [1] [1]: https://youtu.be/1b-vAeYTxRA https://youtu.be/1b-vAeYTxRA