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surely they are testing sewage to see if there is more of the polio virus in the drainage. I thought the CDC had started using that a lot more often. On the lef

surely they are testing sewage to see if there is more of the polio virus in the drainage. I thought the CDC had started using that a lot more often. On the left you have nuts who think vaccines are unnatural and therefore awful, and on the right you have nuts who say the government is injecting nanites for 5G mind control. It's a crazy world out there.

azinman2 4y ago
I’d like to see a strong new center.
ajsnigrutin 4y ago
I mean... the crazy nuts also predict a lot of stuff that ends up being true. I got vaccinated because "if you get vaccinated, you won't get covid"... and then the narrative changed. 5G (well, every technology from 2g onwards) also enables a lot more precise tracking of users (their location).
- Fatnino 4y ago
  If you get the vaccine, you won't get (and this detail is important) the ALPHA VARIANT of covid. And indeed, I'd bet dollars to donuts you did not end up catching Alpha. The vaccine was never going to be great against variants (though some people did claim it would be just as good with little evidence) and the more removed the variants get (ie, variant of a variant) the less chance those older vaccines have of resisting them. So it's not exactly that the "narrative changed" so much as that the virus changed and the narrative didn't keep up fast enough.
  - vorpalhex 4y ago
    You can still get the alpha variant. For what it's worth, we knew really early that the vaccine reduced severe illness primarily. People continued to be, and still are, inaccurate.
    - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
      https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-vaccinated-people-become-dead-ends-for-the-coronavirus/ https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-... > “So even though there are breakthrough infections with vaccinated people, almost always the people are asymptomatic and the level of virus is so low it makes it extremely unlikely — not impossible but very, very low likelihood — that they’re going to transmit it,” Fauci said. So, very few get it at all, and the ones who get it, can't spread it, even without masks. This (well, similar, from our local agencies) was the info I got when i went to get vaccinated.
      - vorpalhex 4y ago
        I'm going to repeat my claim. You can still get it. You are agreeing with me. If you want people to trust you, you have to be honest. If you make obvious lies then you get caught and trust is destroyed. The CDC repeatedly lied and misled the American public and now is having trust issues leading to people not getting vaccinated like they should. If you want to be trusted, don't lie.
    - origin_path 4y ago
      The rampant historical revisionism about vaccines is absurd. It's 1984 level stuff. The trials didn't even measure "severe illness", so no, we definitely didn't know that by any definition of early. Actually that claim only came to the fore as effectiveness against infection collapsed and a new justification was required.
  - seoaeu 4y ago
    Pedantic: the alpha variant is B.1.1.7 previously known as the UK variant. The original strain didn’t get a Greek letter
  - origin_path 4y ago
    Almost nobody caught Alpha or the original strain the vaccines actually targeted because they had naturally disappeared before the vaccines were even available. The fact that the virus would change was obvious from the start. Coronaviruses always do mutate fast, it's why nobody bothered making vaccines for then before. The narrative changed not because the emergence of yet another variant was unexpected but because the narrative was always and everywhere whatever would convince people to take shots, not what was true.
- seoaeu 4y ago
  > if you get vaccinated, you won't get covid Literally no one reputable ever said this given that original studies showed 95% effectiveness at preventing wild-type Covid…
  - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
    https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-vaccinated-people-become-dead-ends-for-the-coronavirus/ https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-... > “So even though there are breakthrough infections with vaccinated people, almost always the people are asymptomatic and the level of virus is so low it makes it extremely unlikely — not impossible but very, very low likelihood — that they’re going to transmit it,” Fauci said. So, almost noone vaccinated will get it, and those who do, won't spread it. So, people literally died, because they though they coudln't get it, and went out, and other people who though they couldn't spread it, spread it around.
    - seoaeu 4y ago
      > if you get vaccinated, you won't get covid […] > So, almost noone vaccinated will get it That’s a pretty clear case of moving the goalposts if I ever saw it.
  - bazzert 4y ago
    President Biden said it.

azinman2 4y ago

I’d like to see a strong new center.

ajsnigrutin 4y ago

I mean... the crazy nuts also predict a lot of stuff that ends up being true. I got vaccinated because "if you get vaccinated, you won't get covid"... and then the narrative changed. 5G (well, every technology from 2g onwards) also enables a lot more precise tracking of users (their location).

Fatnino 4y ago
If you get the vaccine, you won't get (and this detail is important) the ALPHA VARIANT of covid. And indeed, I'd bet dollars to donuts you did not end up catching Alpha. The vaccine was never going to be great against variants (though some people did claim it would be just as good with little evidence) and the more removed the variants get (ie, variant of a variant) the less chance those older vaccines have of resisting them. So it's not exactly that the "narrative changed" so much as that the virus changed and the narrative didn't keep up fast enough.
- vorpalhex 4y ago
  You can still get the alpha variant. For what it's worth, we knew really early that the vaccine reduced severe illness primarily. People continued to be, and still are, inaccurate.
  - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
    https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-vaccinated-people-become-dead-ends-for-the-coronavirus/ https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-... > “So even though there are breakthrough infections with vaccinated people, almost always the people are asymptomatic and the level of virus is so low it makes it extremely unlikely — not impossible but very, very low likelihood — that they’re going to transmit it,” Fauci said. So, very few get it at all, and the ones who get it, can't spread it, even without masks. This (well, similar, from our local agencies) was the info I got when i went to get vaccinated.
    - vorpalhex 4y ago
      I'm going to repeat my claim. You can still get it. You are agreeing with me. If you want people to trust you, you have to be honest. If you make obvious lies then you get caught and trust is destroyed. The CDC repeatedly lied and misled the American public and now is having trust issues leading to people not getting vaccinated like they should. If you want to be trusted, don't lie.
  - origin_path 4y ago
    The rampant historical revisionism about vaccines is absurd. It's 1984 level stuff. The trials didn't even measure "severe illness", so no, we definitely didn't know that by any definition of early. Actually that claim only came to the fore as effectiveness against infection collapsed and a new justification was required.
- seoaeu 4y ago
  Pedantic: the alpha variant is B.1.1.7 previously known as the UK variant. The original strain didn’t get a Greek letter
- origin_path 4y ago
  Almost nobody caught Alpha or the original strain the vaccines actually targeted because they had naturally disappeared before the vaccines were even available. The fact that the virus would change was obvious from the start. Coronaviruses always do mutate fast, it's why nobody bothered making vaccines for then before. The narrative changed not because the emergence of yet another variant was unexpected but because the narrative was always and everywhere whatever would convince people to take shots, not what was true.
seoaeu 4y ago
> if you get vaccinated, you won't get covid Literally no one reputable ever said this given that original studies showed 95% effectiveness at preventing wild-type Covid…
- ajsnigrutin 4y ago
  https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-vaccinated-people-become-dead-ends-for-the-coronavirus/ https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/553773-fauci-... > “So even though there are breakthrough infections with vaccinated people, almost always the people are asymptomatic and the level of virus is so low it makes it extremely unlikely — not impossible but very, very low likelihood — that they’re going to transmit it,” Fauci said. So, almost noone vaccinated will get it, and those who do, won't spread it. So, people literally died, because they though they coudln't get it, and went out, and other people who though they couldn't spread it, spread it around.
  - seoaeu 4y ago
    > if you get vaccinated, you won't get covid […] > So, almost noone vaccinated will get it That’s a pretty clear case of moving the goalposts if I ever saw it.
- bazzert 4y ago
  President Biden said it.