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It was not a counter argument, we are not having an argument. It was just an observation. Also you are mis quoting me I did not say “always”. I am not here to

It was not a counter argument, we are not having an argument. It was just an observation. Also you are mis quoting me I did not say “always”. I am not here to tell you who you are or how you are like. I am here explaining a hypothesis. Labels are what they are. Some are useful some are not, some are emotionally coupled some are not. If you look at what a person does you can make hypothesis's about what is in their mind. It is what the field of psychology is all about. Proper behavior, like not being mean, answering people when they talk to you, not bashing your head in to walls when you are upset and so on.

chownie 4y ago
You fell awfully quickly into deriding autistic people with a negative stereotype for someone who's not here to argue.
- callesgg 4y ago
  Not my intent, there was a question about what does and what does not constitute proper behavior. I gave a description that clarified that to a certain extent. The description is just a description, an answer to a question.
  - giraffe_lady 4y ago
    Your answer really wasn't that neutral, unfortunately. For example both autistic and non-autistic people are capable of meanness, it doesn't really indicate anything either way. In fact neurotypical society is tolerant of cruelty to a degree that causes me an incredible amount of pain and distress. And what are we even to infer from "and so on." Basically that "proper behavior" is what non-autistic people do, and that when we deviate from that it is inherently disruptive and improper. Which, we know that, a big part of our lives are spent managing the consequences imposed on us for not acting in the ways other people expect or demand. It didn't clarify much for me except your ignorance or lack of depth of introspection on this subject, which is why I didn't engage with it further. But this "oh shucks I was just answering the question" response is also bad so here we are. I can't read your intent but I certainly received that response as a dismissive stereotype. If you didn't want it read that way you should rephrase it next time this comes up.
    - callesgg 4y ago
      "and so on" was meant too mean "and other stereotypical autistic behaviours". It seams a key difference between us here is that you think stereotypes are dismissive. I just think of them as things that are more common statistically on average in the group of people vs in some other group of other people.
      - cauefcr 4y ago
        Well, i do hope you back that assumption with some actual statistics, otherwise you're just using what is "common sense" or your experience with "x people" as a proxy for data.

chownie 4y ago

You fell awfully quickly into deriding autistic people with a negative stereotype for someone who's not here to argue.

callesgg 4y ago
Not my intent, there was a question about what does and what does not constitute proper behavior. I gave a description that clarified that to a certain extent. The description is just a description, an answer to a question.
- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  Your answer really wasn't that neutral, unfortunately. For example both autistic and non-autistic people are capable of meanness, it doesn't really indicate anything either way. In fact neurotypical society is tolerant of cruelty to a degree that causes me an incredible amount of pain and distress. And what are we even to infer from "and so on." Basically that "proper behavior" is what non-autistic people do, and that when we deviate from that it is inherently disruptive and improper. Which, we know that, a big part of our lives are spent managing the consequences imposed on us for not acting in the ways other people expect or demand. It didn't clarify much for me except your ignorance or lack of depth of introspection on this subject, which is why I didn't engage with it further. But this "oh shucks I was just answering the question" response is also bad so here we are. I can't read your intent but I certainly received that response as a dismissive stereotype. If you didn't want it read that way you should rephrase it next time this comes up.
  - callesgg 4y ago
    "and so on" was meant too mean "and other stereotypical autistic behaviours". It seams a key difference between us here is that you think stereotypes are dismissive. I just think of them as things that are more common statistically on average in the group of people vs in some other group of other people.
    - cauefcr 4y ago
      Well, i do hope you back that assumption with some actual statistics, otherwise you're just using what is "common sense" or your experience with "x people" as a proxy for data.