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> first world country Maybe U.S. is not anymore entitled for this title. No efficient and free healthcare or education like the other first world countries ha

by nicce 4y ago

> first world country Maybe U.S. is not anymore entitled for this title. No efficient and free healthcare or education like the other first world countries have. And other issues which you just stated. It feels that even democracy has serious challenges at the moment.

fknorangesite 4y ago
> Maybe U.S. is not anymore entitled for this title. The term is a Cold War relic in any case.
- pm90 4y ago
  Not sure why this is being downvoted, it’s technically correct. First World: US + NATO + Friends (loosely termed “The West) Second World: Soviet Union + Warsaw Pact + Friends Third World: Rest of the world.
echelon 4y ago
It's not about healthcare access or education, both of which are free and ignored in the case of vaccines. It's about the increasing ideological fracturing of this country. It's probably natural too. Without an actual enemy threatening our way of life, we've turned inwards against ourselves. Like an under stimulated immune system attacking itself. Emotions are easy to manipulate with political subjects. Partisan narratives sell, they're mimetic, and they spread like wildfire. It turns into a religious war, and each side distrusts the other, stops listening.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  A lot of that internal conflict is actually the results of foreign acts of war though. Just look at how much money and other forms of support for the far-right came out of Russia - and not just for the US but also about half of Europe. And in any case the US has been continuously involved in some kind of war for like the last decades? Vietnam, Iraq 1, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq 2, anti-IS coalition...
- nicce 4y ago
  > It's about the increasing ideological fracturing of this country. > Emotions are easy to manipulate with political subjects. Partisan narratives sell, they're mimetic, and they spread like wildfire. It turns into a religious war, and each side distrusts the other, stops listening. I would dare to argue, that both of these issues would be drastically reduced with increased high level education.
andrekandre 4y ago
> No efficient and free healthcare or education like the other first world countries have. And other issues which you just stated. what is the cause of these issues? i've heard education used to be almost free in the us at some point... what happened?
- nicce 4y ago
  Some could say extreme capitalism. Good healthcare is paywalled behind expensive insurance and good job. The college fees are on average $40k per year for private, high quality colleges. For public out-of-state colleges, average is $23k and for public in-state colleges around $10k per year. [1] On average in 2018, the degree cost was around $100k [2] [1]: https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/paying-for-college/articles/paying-for-college-infographic https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/paying-for-co... [2]: https://www.us.hsbc.com/value-of-education/ https://www.us.hsbc.com/value-of-education/
  - andrekandre 4y ago
    > On average in 2018, the degree cost was around $100k wow, i couldn't imagine even trying for a degree if i was a teenager nowadays... i can see why student debt forgiveness has been a huge issue recently.

by nicce 4y ago

fknorangesite 4y ago

> Maybe U.S. is not anymore entitled for this title. The term is a Cold War relic in any case.

pm90 4y ago
Not sure why this is being downvoted, it’s technically correct. First World: US + NATO + Friends (loosely termed “The West) Second World: Soviet Union + Warsaw Pact + Friends Third World: Rest of the world.

echelon 4y ago

It's not about healthcare access or education, both of which are free and ignored in the case of vaccines. It's about the increasing ideological fracturing of this country. It's probably natural too. Without an actual enemy threatening our way of life, we've turned inwards against ourselves. Like an under stimulated immune system attacking itself. Emotions are easy to manipulate with political subjects. Partisan narratives sell, they're mimetic, and they spread like wildfire. It turns into a religious war, and each side distrusts the other, stops listening.

mschuster91 4y ago
A lot of that internal conflict is actually the results of foreign acts of war though. Just look at how much money and other forms of support for the far-right came out of Russia - and not just for the US but also about half of Europe. And in any case the US has been continuously involved in some kind of war for like the last decades? Vietnam, Iraq 1, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq 2, anti-IS coalition...
nicce 4y ago
> It's about the increasing ideological fracturing of this country. > Emotions are easy to manipulate with political subjects. Partisan narratives sell, they're mimetic, and they spread like wildfire. It turns into a religious war, and each side distrusts the other, stops listening. I would dare to argue, that both of these issues would be drastically reduced with increased high level education.

andrekandre 4y ago

> No efficient and free healthcare or education like the other first world countries have. And other issues which you just stated. what is the cause of these issues? i've heard education used to be almost free in the us at some point... what happened?

nicce 4y ago
Some could say extreme capitalism. Good healthcare is paywalled behind expensive insurance and good job. The college fees are on average $40k per year for private, high quality colleges. For public out-of-state colleges, average is $23k and for public in-state colleges around $10k per year. [1] On average in 2018, the degree cost was around $100k [2] [1]: https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/paying-for-college/articles/paying-for-college-infographic https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/paying-for-co... [2]: https://www.us.hsbc.com/value-of-education/ https://www.us.hsbc.com/value-of-education/
- andrekandre 4y ago
  > On average in 2018, the degree cost was around $100k wow, i couldn't imagine even trying for a degree if i was a teenager nowadays... i can see why student debt forgiveness has been a huge issue recently.