I mean no skip-level I know of would reasonably think that a manager they oversee has actually personally built something. Of course it's understood that there

I mean no skip-level I know of would reasonably think that a manager they oversee has actually personally built something. Of course it's understood that there were ICs involved, and yes often the director-levels and up don't know who they are, and that is not that unusual. We're not talking about open source software here, you are recognized for your work with dollars.