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>When you talk about spying on people to know everything about them in order to learn how to manipulate them, you're talking about brainwashing. That's a seman
by mrex 4y ago
>When you talk about spying on people to know everything about them in order to learn how to manipulate them, you're talking about brainwashing.
That's a semantic debate that's neither here nor there. If that's what you consider brainwashing, fine, but that's here today and it's happening every day. Do you have any idea what credit reporting agencies know about you, your purchasing habits, your media consumption preferences, your politics, your medical history, your sex life?
>I don't see any evidence that spying on people is a battlefield advantage.
You don't? Well let me give you an example. Let's say there is a movement of individuals within a nation who are discontent about some specific policy or behavior of their government. First, intelligence would allow you to discover this fact. Then it would allow you to research and profile the individuals who you've identified in this group, and refine your search parameters to identify likely candidates to recruit. It would also help you to refine messaging, giving you instant feedback about the virality of trial balloons you floated.
Using these tools, you don't see how domestic unrest could be created?
- toolz 4y agoThat's a hypothetical, not an example. An example would be "US has been worried for years that Russia has been influencing US politics, now we see Russia invade Ukraine and US supports Russia" Instead, what do we actually see? We see people claiming for years that Russia has been influencing US politics, yes the US has contributed more than the entirety of the european union combined to aid Ukraine in war efforts. In fact, some accounting suggests the US has donated more to Ukraine than Russia has spent on the war itself. So where are these examples of successful spying/data turned into action or battlefield advantages? There's certainly no shortage of spying.
- mrex 4y agohttps://www.armyupress.army.mil/Journals/NCO-Journal/Archives/2018/July/Washington-Spies/ https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Journals/NCO-Journal/Archive...
- toolz 4y agoI don't see any correlation between spies as agents and spying on your own people. If Washington would have spied on his own people he probably would've been worse off by wasting those resources and sowing discord. Further, we already spy on our own people and we can't even stop low-tech orchestrated attacks that involved men who trained to fly, but skipped landing lessons and hijacked planes with box cutters.
- mrex 4y ago>I don't see any correlation between spies as agents and spying on your own people. Well now that doesn't make any sense. If you spy on the other side, and they spy on you, but you don't spy on you, then how do you know what they know? Or what they want to know but don't yet? Information is the currency of warfare. If the other side is in our OODA loop, they're going to shape our decisions at a tempo we can't respond to.