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And Germany will be using the gas to heat Ukrainian soldiers in training. So what? The situation is a mess, and painting Russia and russians as having no inter

• emptysongglass 4y ago
  So this is weird because there seems to be a real groundswell of effort to resort to bothesidesism particularly on topics of China and Russia. The situation is not "a mess" ethically no. One side (Russia) walked into a country and started blowing up entire cities full of people. Literally Mariupol formerly a city of 431,859 people is a wasteland of rubble with an estimated pop of 100k. Are all those people dead? No, most are displaced but the callous way in which Russia has resorted to the same truly despicable war tactics it used to level Grozny again, here, in a sovereign nation should make us weep. It feels like the internet is in large part fuelling this truly horrifying miracle of humans trying to "level" the narrative.
  • cscurmudgeon 4y ago
    > sovereign nation should make us weep Definitely. But the double standards is maddening. The Western public has ignored much much larger and more recent conflicts. https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/12/1078972 https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/12/1078972
    • tomjen3 4y ago
      Yes we have. Most of that is because we can't identify a good guy, but regardless of that I can see how it changes anything about the justification of _this_ war.
    • belorn 4y ago
      There is a distinct difference between wars based on territorial expansionism and civil wars. When one country invade an other for territorial gain, it is fairly easy to identify an aggressor and a defender. With a civil war you got factions within a country fighting for control. The start of the conflict tend to be different. In an invasion you got an external force starting the war by sending in troop and initiating the conflict, and you got a clear defined border of conflict that starts out at the border and then fans out. The capital tend to be attacked at a late part of the conflict, unless it is located directly at the border. In a civil war the war generally breaks out at multiple places from within, usually in the capital where the existing seat of power is located. The conflict border is generally unclear and fighting occur at multiple locations all over. Invasion also tend to have a history of territorial disputes about where the border between two nations should be drawn. Civil war on the other hands tend to have a history of demographic nature, where different groups within a country are fighting for control of the country. In terms of public support, especially since world war 2, invasions that has aim of taking territory is generally feared. If they invade Ukraine today in order for Lebensraum, then what is to say that Poland will not be next for the exact same purpose? Which country can ever feel save when a larger nearby country starts to invade others for the purpose of taking territory? Civil wars on the other hand is a human tragedy, but the factions fighting inside Yemen doesn't have a reason to make Poland the next target. It not so much of a double standard but rather human priority of things that feel threatening to themselves.
• QuadmasterXLII 4y ago
  There's no painting happening, the russian government just has no interest but war.