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Heat wave brings out new face of climate denial in UK press

5 points by nigerian1981 4y ago

jjgreen 4y ago
Climate change denial, surely. Oh, it's the Grauniad.
- eesmith 4y ago
  Wikipedia also uses "climate denial" at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial (which is where https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_denial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_denial redirects). Here are examples: > Climate denial groups may also argue that global warming stopped recently ... > One study of climate change denial among farmers in Australia found that farmers were less likely to take a position of climate denial if they had experienced improved production from climate-friendly practices ... > Jerry Taylor promoted climate denialism for 20 years as former staff director ... > the Institute for Energy Research, a climate denial think tank ... > McKibben calls this "climate denial of the status quo sort" The last links to McKibben' op-ed in the NYT at https://web.archive.org/web/20210711235428/https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/13/opinion/obamas-catastrophic-climate-change-denial.html https://web.archive.org/web/20210711235428/https://www.nytim... ("This is not climate denial of the Republican sort, where people simply pretend the science isn’t real. This is climate denial of the status quo sort,") Checking elsewhere: San Francisco Chronicle - "The trend now is for populist and far right groups in Europe to “manipulate information” through more nuanced messages, to promote anti-migration, anti-gay and climate denial themes." - https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Fake-news-changes-shape-as-EU-heads-into-elections-13874628.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Fake-news-changes-s... Independent - "Climate denial ads get 8 million views on Facebook despite firm’s ‘commitment to tackle misinformation’: study" - https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/facebook-climate-change-denial-ads-anti-science-climate-change-crisis-b869090.html https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/facebook-c... BBC - "Asked why it was using social media to promote climate denial, Alexey Prudkov, coordinator of the Creative Society project in Switzerland, told BBC News: "Climate denialism is a very catchy and at the same time totally misleading term." - https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-61166339 https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-61166339
  - jjgreen 4y ago
    That might work were denial of higher-order objects not a thing. Thatcher famously denied the existence of society: ... and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families ... so "literal climate denial" is easily conceivable: ... and what is climate? There is no such thing! There are individual days of weather ... Let's be honest, it's lazy copy-editing at the Guardian, which has crafted that into an art-form.
    - eesmith 4y ago
      Would anything convince you otherwise? Like Google n-gram showing that "climate denial" is used at about 60% of the rate of "climate change denial"? Nearly 5,000 Google Scholar papers using "climate denial" vs 9,700 for "climate change denial"? Including a 2007 piece at https://policycommons.net/artifacts/1325774/ad-hominem-absurdum/1929060/ https://policycommons.net/artifacts/1325774/ad-hominem-absur... complaining about "Greenpeace's constant use of the phrase “climate denial” and its related cousins"?
      - jjgreen 4y ago
        17% of native English speakers spell received as "recieved", and 23% of Americans pronounce nuclear as "nukyular" (*). Does that convince you that these are legitimate spellings and pronunciations? So a popularity contest does not convince me, but were someone to address my points above, possibly. (*) made-up numbers, but I guess not far-off
        eesmith 4y ago
        N-gram "received/recieved" shows a relative ratio of around 3000x, no doubt because it's derived from published books, many of which have gone through a copy editor. I don't think you've made any other point besides your disdain for the copy editors at The Guardian. Since it appears many other copy editors agree with The Guardian, I think it's fair to say your inference is unsupported.

5 points by nigerian1981 4y ago

jjgreen 4y ago

Climate change denial, surely. Oh, it's the Grauniad.

eesmith 4y ago
Wikipedia also uses "climate denial" at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial (which is where https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_denial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_denial redirects). Here are examples: > Climate denial groups may also argue that global warming stopped recently ... > One study of climate change denial among farmers in Australia found that farmers were less likely to take a position of climate denial if they had experienced improved production from climate-friendly practices ... > Jerry Taylor promoted climate denialism for 20 years as former staff director ... > the Institute for Energy Research, a climate denial think tank ... > McKibben calls this "climate denial of the status quo sort" The last links to McKibben' op-ed in the NYT at https://web.archive.org/web/20210711235428/https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/13/opinion/obamas-catastrophic-climate-change-denial.html https://web.archive.org/web/20210711235428/https://www.nytim... ("This is not climate denial of the Republican sort, where people simply pretend the science isn’t real. This is climate denial of the status quo sort,") Checking elsewhere: San Francisco Chronicle - "The trend now is for populist and far right groups in Europe to “manipulate information” through more nuanced messages, to promote anti-migration, anti-gay and climate denial themes." - https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Fake-news-changes-shape-as-EU-heads-into-elections-13874628.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Fake-news-changes-s... Independent - "Climate denial ads get 8 million views on Facebook despite firm’s ‘commitment to tackle misinformation’: study" - https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/facebook-climate-change-denial-ads-anti-science-climate-change-crisis-b869090.html https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/facebook-c... BBC - "Asked why it was using social media to promote climate denial, Alexey Prudkov, coordinator of the Creative Society project in Switzerland, told BBC News: "Climate denialism is a very catchy and at the same time totally misleading term." - https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-61166339 https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-61166339
- jjgreen 4y ago
  That might work were denial of higher-order objects not a thing. Thatcher famously denied the existence of society: ... and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families ... so "literal climate denial" is easily conceivable: ... and what is climate? There is no such thing! There are individual days of weather ... Let's be honest, it's lazy copy-editing at the Guardian, which has crafted that into an art-form.
  - eesmith 4y ago
    Would anything convince you otherwise? Like Google n-gram showing that "climate denial" is used at about 60% of the rate of "climate change denial"? Nearly 5,000 Google Scholar papers using "climate denial" vs 9,700 for "climate change denial"? Including a 2007 piece at https://policycommons.net/artifacts/1325774/ad-hominem-absurdum/1929060/ https://policycommons.net/artifacts/1325774/ad-hominem-absur... complaining about "Greenpeace's constant use of the phrase “climate denial” and its related cousins"?
    - jjgreen 4y ago
      17% of native English speakers spell received as "recieved", and 23% of Americans pronounce nuclear as "nukyular" (*). Does that convince you that these are legitimate spellings and pronunciations? So a popularity contest does not convince me, but were someone to address my points above, possibly. (*) made-up numbers, but I guess not far-off
      - eesmith 4y ago
        N-gram "received/recieved" shows a relative ratio of around 3000x, no doubt because it's derived from published books, many of which have gone through a copy editor. I don't think you've made any other point besides your disdain for the copy editors at The Guardian. Since it appears many other copy editors agree with The Guardian, I think it's fair to say your inference is unsupported.