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Let me fix that headline: Europe's lack of investment in sustainable energy and nuclear is raising electricity prices, compounded by the dependence on fossil fu

Let me fix that headline: Europe's lack of investment in sustainable energy and nuclear is raising electricity prices, compounded by the dependence on fossil fuels from terrorist states like Russia.

chmod775 4y ago
That is not a good headline for what the article is about. > terrorist states like Russia The word terrorist has become meaningless. It's dead. You can stop kicking it.
wiz21c 4y ago
Russia is not a terrorist state. It's a country waging a war. It's not the same. You can find it OK or not OK (I personally don't) but it's not terrorism. Many countries have done that before, France is such a country.
- oneoff786 4y ago
  It’s perfectly reasonable to call them a terrorist state if they’re actively encouraging war crimes against civilians.
  - rjzzleep 4y ago
    Which even the UN has had to admit Ukraine shares the blame on[1]. Not only that, the Human Rights chief of Ukraine stepped down and subsequently admitted that she invented a lot of human rights violations[2]. It's actually amusing that the UN complained about the Ukrainian shelling of a maternity ward in June with most reports saying that it was Russians doing, with very few correcting this to stating it was in fact the Ukrainians[3]. Here's the Washington Post saying that Ukraine placed their fighters in civilian buildings therefore enabling attacks on civilian infrastructure[4] as early as March 28th [1] https://news.yahoo.com/un-says-ukraine-bears-share-041554667.html https://news.yahoo.com/un-says-ukraine-bears-share-041554667... [2] https://www.ibtimes.sg/lyudmila-denisova-disgraced-ombudswoman-fired-by-ukraine-parliament-admits-she-lied-about-rapes-65119 https://www.ibtimes.sg/lyudmila-denisova-disgraced-ombudswom... [3] https://blog.tagesschau.de/2022/06/16/fehler-in-der-tagesschau-am-13-juni-2022/ https://blog.tagesschau.de/2022/06/16/fehler-in-der-tagessch... [4] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/28/ukraine-kyiv-russia-civilians/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/28/ukraine-kyiv...
    - oneoff786 4y ago
      The UN consensus has been very clear. Russia is singularly responsible for the war, and has committed numerous war crimes. Including many, many attacks on positions that are civilian only. And forcing Ukrainians to join the Russian army as canon fodder. And encouraging mass rape. And stealing whatever isn’t nailed down. And storing munitions in an active nuclear power plant. And attacking evacuation corridors they promised to allow. Ukraine is not perfect, but it’s not even close to comparable. Your post history has a clear Russian lean to it. So, whatever. I presume it’s pointless to talk.
    - saturn_vk 4y ago
      Your #3 link seems to be talking about a market, not a maternity ward. Did you give a wrong link by mistake?
  - sschueller 4y ago
    In that case you might as well classify the US as a terrorist state as well. Continues dronning of innocent people doesn't make it OK when you call it the "war" on terror.
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    - oneoff786 4y ago
      Whataboutism at its finest. The US drone policy is very aggressive. But it’s multiple orders of magnitude less than the scale of what Russia is trying to do now, which is flagrant genocide. But we’re not discussing the US so let’s get back to the terrorist state of Russia.
      - vasac 4y ago
        It's not just drones - US leveled cities too, like Raqqa, or started wars based on fabricated evidence that killed more people than current war in Ukraine. p.s. exposing hypocrisy isn't whataboutism.
        oneoff786 4y ago
        That’s really great. But we’re talking about the terrorist state of Russia here.
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  - mardifoufs 4y ago
    So you don't really disagree with the parent comment then. Unless you are denying French war crimes in Algeria and Africa
    - oneoff786 4y ago
      They said Russia is not a terrorist state. I disagree with them. I don’t really give a shit about French war crimes 70 years ago. That’s not a gotcha, it’s just a shitty whataboutism, and not even a particularly relevant one.
  - elenaferrantes 4y ago
    You mean like this : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_... ? Or maybe this : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima... ?
    - oneoff786 4y ago
      Those are immense human tragedies but they’re not the same. Both of these examples have significant debate on whether they were justified. Perhaps you believe they were not. There is no such debate around the missile strikes on shopping malls far removed from the front, or bombing civilian evacuation routes your promised to permit. Or deporting thousands of children to your country. And again, whataboutism is not helpful here. The discussion is on Russia.
      - elenaferrantes 4y ago
        USA _and_ russia always justify civilian bombings claiming they aimed at military targets first. Do you think USA or russia will ever admit they happily roasted babies alive on purpose ?
        oneoff786 4y ago
        The difference is that Russia’s MO is to level cities and kill every single person they can. The US is far from perfect, but this is not what they do. Whataboutism is not relevant here
  - polski-g 4y ago
    Terrorism is be definition non state activities. If a state is doing it, it can't be terrorism.
    - oneoff786 4y ago
      In some definitions sure.
- namdnay 4y ago
  I would have gone for criminal or mafia state rather than terrorist, but I guess you could argue that openly poisoning political dissidents is designed to elicit terror
- mountainriver 4y ago
  Yeah the US has too, and they acted like terrorists in Iraq. Not trying to demonize Russia but we should call it as we see it.
- mh-cx 4y ago
  It's not only the ongoing war. Russia's leadership seems to be enganged in state terrorism for several decades now. Here's an interesting interview with Catherine Belton a journalist and author who did year long research on that matter: https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2022-07/catherine-belton-vladimir-putin-kremlin-book-english/komplettansicht https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2022-07/catherine-belton-vlad... Even if only half of the claims is true it's IMO quite justified to call Russia a terrorist state.
- CogitoCogito 4y ago
  > Many countries have done that before, France is such a country. You could also conclude that France was just such a terrorist state.
- TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
  Ehm, blowing up ammunition depot in Czech Republic was not terrorism? https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2021/04/26/how-gru-sabotage-and-assassination-operations-in-czechia-and-bulgaria-sought-to-undermine-ukraine/ https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2021/04/26/how...
- dimitar 4y ago
  I call it a terrorist state due to its deliberate attacks on civilians in Vinnitsa, Kramatorsk, Kharkiv, Nikopol, Idlib just in the last week. City centers with no military targets, in some cases very far from the front - the intention is to terrorize Ukraine into submission.
- tomjen3 4y ago
  It is a country conducting an illegal war of aggression, which means that any action they take is a war crime, but aside from that when you shell civilians trying to flee through _humanitarian corridors you created_ you are committing acts of terror. So is shooting cruise missiles at shopping centers. I won't pretend to be neutral in this matter, nor give a shit about anybody who is, but what russia is doing is very much acts of terrorism.
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- belter 4y ago
  There is a very easy way to find out who is in the wrong here. Using the statement you probably have seen before: If Ukraine stops fighting, they stop to exist. If Russia stops fighting, there is no more war.
  - barbarbar 4y ago
    Succint
rjzzleep 4y ago
Hate Russia all you want but this energy crisis was entirely "free world" created and didn't start in February this year. Half of these idiots have resigned or are close to resignation due to an energy and food crisis that they have single-handedly created by the "free world" the last decade. They will just resign and live of their pensions while the rest of Europe is slipping into poverty[1]. Let's for a moment consider that Ukraine still makes transit money off of Russian gas. Has threatened Europe with gas cuts for the last two decades on multiple occasions. And even though Russia has been put through unprecedented sanctions, which actually sent prices soaring still supplies Europe with energy even though the west tried to effectively embargo them from the rest of the world. They are in fact slowly lifting restrictions especially on food supplies[2]. But due to the uncertainty Von der Moron brought into the markets the prices are not due to go back down anytime soon. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-12/what-if-markets-plan-doomsday-if-russia-turns-off-the-gas https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-12/what-if-m... [2] https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/eu-soften-sanctions-russian-banks-allow-food-trade-2022-07-19/ https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/eu-soften-sanctions-r...
- emptysongglass 4y ago
  > And even though Russia has been put through unprecedented sanctions, which actually sent prices soaring still supplies Europe with energy even though the west tried to effectively embargo them from the rest of the world. Let's not pretend they are doing this out of loving-kindness: they use this money to fund their invasion of Ukraine.
  - zosima 4y ago
    And Germany will be using the gas to heat Ukrainian soldiers in training. So what? The situation is a mess, and painting Russia and russians as having no interest but war, does not make it less messy.
    - emptysongglass 4y ago
      So this is weird because there seems to be a real groundswell of effort to resort to bothesidesism particularly on topics of China and Russia. The situation is not "a mess" ethically no. One side (Russia) walked into a country and started blowing up entire cities full of people. Literally Mariupol formerly a city of 431,859 people is a wasteland of rubble with an estimated pop of 100k. Are all those people dead? No, most are displaced but the callous way in which Russia has resorted to the same truly despicable war tactics it used to level Grozny again, here, in a sovereign nation should make us weep. It feels like the internet is in large part fuelling this truly horrifying miracle of humans trying to "level" the narrative.

Let me fix that headline: Europe's lack of investment in sustainable energy and nuclear is raising electricity prices, compounded by the dependence on fossil fuels from terrorist states like Russia.

chmod775 4y ago

That is not a good headline for what the article is about. > terrorist states like Russia The word terrorist has become meaningless. It's dead. You can stop kicking it.

wiz21c 4y ago

Russia is not a terrorist state. It's a country waging a war. It's not the same. You can find it OK or not OK (I personally don't) but it's not terrorism. Many countries have done that before, France is such a country.

oneoff786 4y ago
It’s perfectly reasonable to call them a terrorist state if they’re actively encouraging war crimes against civilians.
- rjzzleep 4y ago
  Which even the UN has had to admit Ukraine shares the blame on[1]. Not only that, the Human Rights chief of Ukraine stepped down and subsequently admitted that she invented a lot of human rights violations[2]. It's actually amusing that the UN complained about the Ukrainian shelling of a maternity ward in June with most reports saying that it was Russians doing, with very few correcting this to stating it was in fact the Ukrainians[3]. Here's the Washington Post saying that Ukraine placed their fighters in civilian buildings therefore enabling attacks on civilian infrastructure[4] as early as March 28th [1] https://news.yahoo.com/un-says-ukraine-bears-share-041554667.html https://news.yahoo.com/un-says-ukraine-bears-share-041554667... [2] https://www.ibtimes.sg/lyudmila-denisova-disgraced-ombudswoman-fired-by-ukraine-parliament-admits-she-lied-about-rapes-65119 https://www.ibtimes.sg/lyudmila-denisova-disgraced-ombudswom... [3] https://blog.tagesschau.de/2022/06/16/fehler-in-der-tagesschau-am-13-juni-2022/ https://blog.tagesschau.de/2022/06/16/fehler-in-der-tagessch... [4] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/28/ukraine-kyiv-russia-civilians/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/28/ukraine-kyiv...
  - oneoff786 4y ago
    The UN consensus has been very clear. Russia is singularly responsible for the war, and has committed numerous war crimes. Including many, many attacks on positions that are civilian only. And forcing Ukrainians to join the Russian army as canon fodder. And encouraging mass rape. And stealing whatever isn’t nailed down. And storing munitions in an active nuclear power plant. And attacking evacuation corridors they promised to allow. Ukraine is not perfect, but it’s not even close to comparable. Your post history has a clear Russian lean to it. So, whatever. I presume it’s pointless to talk.
  - saturn_vk 4y ago
    Your #3 link seems to be talking about a market, not a maternity ward. Did you give a wrong link by mistake?
- sschueller 4y ago
  In that case you might as well classify the US as a terrorist state as well. Continues dronning of innocent people doesn't make it OK when you call it the "war" on terror.
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  - oneoff786 4y ago
    Whataboutism at its finest. The US drone policy is very aggressive. But it’s multiple orders of magnitude less than the scale of what Russia is trying to do now, which is flagrant genocide. But we’re not discussing the US so let’s get back to the terrorist state of Russia.
    - vasac 4y ago
      It's not just drones - US leveled cities too, like Raqqa, or started wars based on fabricated evidence that killed more people than current war in Ukraine. p.s. exposing hypocrisy isn't whataboutism.
      - oneoff786 4y ago
        That’s really great. But we’re talking about the terrorist state of Russia here.
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- mardifoufs 4y ago
  So you don't really disagree with the parent comment then. Unless you are denying French war crimes in Algeria and Africa
  - oneoff786 4y ago
    They said Russia is not a terrorist state. I disagree with them. I don’t really give a shit about French war crimes 70 years ago. That’s not a gotcha, it’s just a shitty whataboutism, and not even a particularly relevant one.
- elenaferrantes 4y ago
  You mean like this : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_... ? Or maybe this : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima... ?
  - oneoff786 4y ago
    Those are immense human tragedies but they’re not the same. Both of these examples have significant debate on whether they were justified. Perhaps you believe they were not. There is no such debate around the missile strikes on shopping malls far removed from the front, or bombing civilian evacuation routes your promised to permit. Or deporting thousands of children to your country. And again, whataboutism is not helpful here. The discussion is on Russia.
    - elenaferrantes 4y ago
      USA _and_ russia always justify civilian bombings claiming they aimed at military targets first. Do you think USA or russia will ever admit they happily roasted babies alive on purpose ?
      - oneoff786 4y ago
        The difference is that Russia’s MO is to level cities and kill every single person they can. The US is far from perfect, but this is not what they do. Whataboutism is not relevant here
- polski-g 4y ago
  Terrorism is be definition non state activities. If a state is doing it, it can't be terrorism.
  - oneoff786 4y ago
    In some definitions sure.
namdnay 4y ago
I would have gone for criminal or mafia state rather than terrorist, but I guess you could argue that openly poisoning political dissidents is designed to elicit terror
mountainriver 4y ago
Yeah the US has too, and they acted like terrorists in Iraq. Not trying to demonize Russia but we should call it as we see it.
mh-cx 4y ago
It's not only the ongoing war. Russia's leadership seems to be enganged in state terrorism for several decades now. Here's an interesting interview with Catherine Belton a journalist and author who did year long research on that matter: https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2022-07/catherine-belton-vladimir-putin-kremlin-book-english/komplettansicht https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2022-07/catherine-belton-vlad... Even if only half of the claims is true it's IMO quite justified to call Russia a terrorist state.
CogitoCogito 4y ago
> Many countries have done that before, France is such a country. You could also conclude that France was just such a terrorist state.
TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
Ehm, blowing up ammunition depot in Czech Republic was not terrorism? https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2021/04/26/how-gru-sabotage-and-assassination-operations-in-czechia-and-bulgaria-sought-to-undermine-ukraine/ https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2021/04/26/how...
dimitar 4y ago
I call it a terrorist state due to its deliberate attacks on civilians in Vinnitsa, Kramatorsk, Kharkiv, Nikopol, Idlib just in the last week. City centers with no military targets, in some cases very far from the front - the intention is to terrorize Ukraine into submission.
tomjen3 4y ago
It is a country conducting an illegal war of aggression, which means that any action they take is a war crime, but aside from that when you shell civilians trying to flee through _humanitarian corridors you created_ you are committing acts of terror. So is shooting cruise missiles at shopping centers. I won't pretend to be neutral in this matter, nor give a shit about anybody who is, but what russia is doing is very much acts of terrorism.
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belter 4y ago
There is a very easy way to find out who is in the wrong here. Using the statement you probably have seen before: If Ukraine stops fighting, they stop to exist. If Russia stops fighting, there is no more war.
- barbarbar 4y ago
  Succint

rjzzleep 4y ago

Hate Russia all you want but this energy crisis was entirely "free world" created and didn't start in February this year. Half of these idiots have resigned or are close to resignation due to an energy and food crisis that they have single-handedly created by the "free world" the last decade. They will just resign and live of their pensions while the rest of Europe is slipping into poverty[1]. Let's for a moment consider that Ukraine still makes transit money off of Russian gas. Has threatened Europe with gas cuts for the last two decades on multiple occasions. And even though Russia has been put through unprecedented sanctions, which actually sent prices soaring still supplies Europe with energy even though the west tried to effectively embargo them from the rest of the world. They are in fact slowly lifting restrictions especially on food supplies[2]. But due to the uncertainty Von der Moron brought into the markets the prices are not due to go back down anytime soon. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-12/what-if-markets-plan-doomsday-if-russia-turns-off-the-gas https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-12/what-if-m... [2] https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/eu-soften-sanctions-russian-banks-allow-food-trade-2022-07-19/ https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/eu-soften-sanctions-r...

emptysongglass 4y ago
> And even though Russia has been put through unprecedented sanctions, which actually sent prices soaring still supplies Europe with energy even though the west tried to effectively embargo them from the rest of the world. Let's not pretend they are doing this out of loving-kindness: they use this money to fund their invasion of Ukraine.
- zosima 4y ago
  And Germany will be using the gas to heat Ukrainian soldiers in training. So what? The situation is a mess, and painting Russia and russians as having no interest but war, does not make it less messy.
  - emptysongglass 4y ago
    So this is weird because there seems to be a real groundswell of effort to resort to bothesidesism particularly on topics of China and Russia. The situation is not "a mess" ethically no. One side (Russia) walked into a country and started blowing up entire cities full of people. Literally Mariupol formerly a city of 431,859 people is a wasteland of rubble with an estimated pop of 100k. Are all those people dead? No, most are displaced but the callous way in which Russia has resorted to the same truly despicable war tactics it used to level Grozny again, here, in a sovereign nation should make us weep. It feels like the internet is in large part fuelling this truly horrifying miracle of humans trying to "level" the narrative.