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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#MintPress_News https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Per... > MintPress News was deprecated in the 2019 RfC, which showed consensus that the site publishes false or fabricated information.

alaric410 4y ago
I can confirm this story by looking at the guys linked in page.
notlukesky 4y ago
JacobThreeThree 4y ago
Good ole Wikipedia gate-keeping.
VictorPath 4y ago
The article gives its sources, and I can go to Linkedin myself to verify its veracity. You're making an argument from authority that I should ignore the source since some authority said to - incidentally a source discussing how "former" CIA employees are working to censor what information I can see.
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > The article gives its sources, and I can go to Linkedin myself to verify its veracity. So? If they're willing to publish false or fabricated information to push their conspiracy theories, they're almost certainly willing to do other misleading things to push it too -- like making a mountain out of a molehill or giving some mundane fact a sinister spin.
  - alaric410 4y ago
    this particular report is accurate.
    - tablespoon 4y ago
      > this particular report is accurate. You missed my point: something can present accurate facts in a highly misleading way. People who've worked for the government get jobs outside of government, usually in similar areas. There's nothing sinister about it, but articles like this want it to seem sinister. And frankly, this is like 1/10th of a story. They found some profiles on LinkedIn, but so what? Have these people actually done anything unacceptable? MintPress doesn't know.
      - alaric410 4y ago
        Would it be ok if Facebook hired someone who was part of the Sinaloa Cartel? If you hire ex-CIA, that tells me everything about your ethics (or lack there of).
        tablespoon 4y ago
        > Would it be ok if Facebook hired someone who was part of the Sinaloa Cartel? The CIA (which I understand the bulk is actually writing analysis reports and stuff like that), the FBI, USAID, and the Marines are not drug cartels; and to conflate them is not reasonable.
        alaric410 4y ago
        I agree with you. CIA is much worse. Sinaloa's evil is regional, CIA's evil is global.
the_optimist 4y ago
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > One of the basic tactics honed by the CIA in Afghanistan on social media was reply-guy diversion. We now see this constantly on trending anti-Biden Twitter. Maybe that’s your thing? Did you know that kind of accusation is against the site guidelines? In any case it's conspiracy theory bullshit. I'm not going to dox myself to prove it false. And even if I did that, it probably wouldn't do any good because a conspiracy theory logic means the conspiracy theory is always true and facts that contradict it are just lies of the conspiracy.
freebreakfast 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_reliable_source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_r... > Wikipedia is not a reliable source for citations elsewhere on Wikipedia.
- tablespoon 4y ago
  >> Wikipedia is not a reliable source for citations elsewhere on Wikipedia. Lucky for you, I'm not citing Wikipedia in a Wikipedia article. All my cite does is show the people you probably rely on for basic information about the world looked into this source and found it severely lacking.
  - freebreakfast 4y ago
    > the people you probably rely on for basic information about the world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fabricated_Articles_and_Hoaxes_of_Russia_in_2022 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fabricated_Articles_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_hoaxes_on_Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_hoaxes_on_Wi... MintPress News is probably a whack news source, but appealing to Wikipedia to support the claim is a bad argument.
kornhole 4y ago
Intelligence agencies employ departments to create and edit Wikipedia pages. I am sorry I do not provide all the sources for this claim, but this is only logical. Paypal closed the account of Mint Press News. This is the same financial censorship tactic that was used against Wikileaks.

alaric410 4y ago

I can confirm this story by looking at the guys linked in page.

notlukesky 4y ago

JacobThreeThree 4y ago

Good ole Wikipedia gate-keeping.

VictorPath 4y ago

The article gives its sources, and I can go to Linkedin myself to verify its veracity. You're making an argument from authority that I should ignore the source since some authority said to - incidentally a source discussing how "former" CIA employees are working to censor what information I can see.

tablespoon 4y ago
> The article gives its sources, and I can go to Linkedin myself to verify its veracity. So? If they're willing to publish false or fabricated information to push their conspiracy theories, they're almost certainly willing to do other misleading things to push it too -- like making a mountain out of a molehill or giving some mundane fact a sinister spin.
- alaric410 4y ago
  this particular report is accurate.
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    > this particular report is accurate. You missed my point: something can present accurate facts in a highly misleading way. People who've worked for the government get jobs outside of government, usually in similar areas. There's nothing sinister about it, but articles like this want it to seem sinister. And frankly, this is like 1/10th of a story. They found some profiles on LinkedIn, but so what? Have these people actually done anything unacceptable? MintPress doesn't know.
    - alaric410 4y ago
      Would it be ok if Facebook hired someone who was part of the Sinaloa Cartel? If you hire ex-CIA, that tells me everything about your ethics (or lack there of).
      - tablespoon 4y ago
        > Would it be ok if Facebook hired someone who was part of the Sinaloa Cartel? The CIA (which I understand the bulk is actually writing analysis reports and stuff like that), the FBI, USAID, and the Marines are not drug cartels; and to conflate them is not reasonable.
        alaric410 4y ago
        I agree with you. CIA is much worse. Sinaloa's evil is regional, CIA's evil is global.

the_optimist 4y ago

tablespoon 4y ago
> One of the basic tactics honed by the CIA in Afghanistan on social media was reply-guy diversion. We now see this constantly on trending anti-Biden Twitter. Maybe that’s your thing? Did you know that kind of accusation is against the site guidelines? In any case it's conspiracy theory bullshit. I'm not going to dox myself to prove it false. And even if I did that, it probably wouldn't do any good because a conspiracy theory logic means the conspiracy theory is always true and facts that contradict it are just lies of the conspiracy.

freebreakfast 4y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_reliable_source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_r... > Wikipedia is not a reliable source for citations elsewhere on Wikipedia.

tablespoon 4y ago
>> Wikipedia is not a reliable source for citations elsewhere on Wikipedia. Lucky for you, I'm not citing Wikipedia in a Wikipedia article. All my cite does is show the people you probably rely on for basic information about the world looked into this source and found it severely lacking.
- freebreakfast 4y ago
  > the people you probably rely on for basic information about the world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fabricated_Articles_and_Hoaxes_of_Russia_in_2022 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fabricated_Articles_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_hoaxes_on_Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_hoaxes_on_Wi... MintPress News is probably a whack news source, but appealing to Wikipedia to support the claim is a bad argument.

kornhole 4y ago

Intelligence agencies employ departments to create and edit Wikipedia pages. I am sorry I do not provide all the sources for this claim, but this is only logical. Paypal closed the account of Mint Press News. This is the same financial censorship tactic that was used against Wikileaks.