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Thats what put options are for.

jpdoctor 15y ago
Puts don't start trading immediately after the IPO. (There are also lockout/reporting requirements on derivatives, but I've always wondered how enforceable/detectable such transactions are.)
- staunch 15y ago
  There are ways to hedge though, right?
  - jpdoctor 15y ago
    Not usually, you need someone on the other side of the transaction. And even if the options were available, the volatility would make the spread very costly.
    - lancewiggs 15y ago
      The standard way, if you are prohibited from trading that stock, is to buy derivatives that are short on a basket of similar stocks. This hedges against a general market fall, such as 2001.
  - nikcub 15y ago
    yes, any good broker can set you up with a collar. you miss the upside but it will keep your price locked in until the lockout period expires. A lot of people do that. If you work at a startup that is about to IPO, there is a high chance that the brokers will find you and will pitch you all of these services.
- jamiequint 15y ago
  I just remember there being a famous story of Mark Cuban buying out of the money puts on Yahoo stock after the acquisition of Broadcast.com. Obviously a different scenario, but always reminded of this whenever IPO lockup talk comes up.
  - secretasiandan 15y ago
    Cuban used a synthetic hedge. "After we sold Broadcast.com, I hedged my stock with synthetic indexes, in case the market cratered in the six months before I could hedge my actual Yahoo shares. It cost me $20 million, but I protected what I had." http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/63/fasttalk.html http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/63/fasttalk.html So he effectively hedged out his dot-com-bubble risk, not his yahoo-is-relatively-speaking-a-turd risk.
    - blacksmythe 15y ago
      >> So he effectively hedged out his dot-com-bubble risk, not his yahoo-is-relatively-speaking-a-turd risk. True, although at that time those two were highly correlated.
ww520 15y ago
You cannot buy put options during the lockout period. It's specifically spelled out in the option agreement. It's pretty airtight.
- joshhart 15y ago
  Yep. I'm one of the locked up employees at LinkedIn and I can't buy options (puts or calls) as part of my agreement. So there's no way to hedge. I should note though that the executives and venture capitalists are ALSO locked out, which is why you don't see LinkedIn stock entering the market currently.
- brown9-2 15y ago
  Typically employees of a public company have to agree to never trade in options involving the company for the duration of their employment.
pak 15y ago
If the derivatives market expects the value of the stock to settle downward post-IPO rush, then anybody selling you a put option would charge that expected difference and you still don't make any money.
- LiveTheDream 15y ago
  The market is not perfectly efficient; that's why people can make money in it.

Puts don't start trading immediately after the IPO. (There are also lockout/reporting requirements on derivatives, but I've always wondered how enforceable/detectable such transactions are.)

staunch 15y ago
There are ways to hedge though, right?
- jpdoctor 15y ago
  Not usually, you need someone on the other side of the transaction. And even if the options were available, the volatility would make the spread very costly.
  - lancewiggs 15y ago
    The standard way, if you are prohibited from trading that stock, is to buy derivatives that are short on a basket of similar stocks. This hedges against a general market fall, such as 2001.
- nikcub 15y ago
  yes, any good broker can set you up with a collar. you miss the upside but it will keep your price locked in until the lockout period expires. A lot of people do that. If you work at a startup that is about to IPO, there is a high chance that the brokers will find you and will pitch you all of these services.
jamiequint 15y ago
I just remember there being a famous story of Mark Cuban buying out of the money puts on Yahoo stock after the acquisition of Broadcast.com. Obviously a different scenario, but always reminded of this whenever IPO lockup talk comes up.
- secretasiandan 15y ago
  Cuban used a synthetic hedge. "After we sold Broadcast.com, I hedged my stock with synthetic indexes, in case the market cratered in the six months before I could hedge my actual Yahoo shares. It cost me $20 million, but I protected what I had." http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/63/fasttalk.html http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/63/fasttalk.html So he effectively hedged out his dot-com-bubble risk, not his yahoo-is-relatively-speaking-a-turd risk.
  - blacksmythe 15y ago
    >> So he effectively hedged out his dot-com-bubble risk, not his yahoo-is-relatively-speaking-a-turd risk. True, although at that time those two were highly correlated.

ww520 15y ago

You cannot buy put options during the lockout period. It's specifically spelled out in the option agreement. It's pretty airtight.

joshhart 15y ago
Yep. I'm one of the locked up employees at LinkedIn and I can't buy options (puts or calls) as part of my agreement. So there's no way to hedge. I should note though that the executives and venture capitalists are ALSO locked out, which is why you don't see LinkedIn stock entering the market currently.
brown9-2 15y ago
Typically employees of a public company have to agree to never trade in options involving the company for the duration of their employment.

pak 15y ago

If the derivatives market expects the value of the stock to settle downward post-IPO rush, then anybody selling you a put option would charge that expected difference and you still don't make any money.

LiveTheDream 15y ago
The market is not perfectly efficient; that's why people can make money in it.