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There is also Vlang [0] which the Zig core maintainer seems to both look up to [1] as well as look down upon [2]. [0] https://github.com/vlang/v https://github
by network2592 4y ago
There is also Vlang [0] which the Zig core maintainer seems to both look up to [1] as well as look down upon [2].
[0] https://github.com/vlang/v https://github.com/vlang/v
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19086589 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19086589
[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31795445 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31795445
EDIT to reflect critical attitude as indicated by [2].
- throwaway17_17 4y agoI don’t have a real opinion in this particular topic area, but I am certain many people will find the Andrew Kelly reference to be not entirely accurate.
- network2592 4y agoNeither do I. The word seems was used as a tentative qualifier rather than an assertion. Feel free to provide context that would indicate otherwise if you deem it salient.
- demindiro 4y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31795445 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31795445
- network2592 4y agoThanks for pointing this out. At the very least, there are conflicting attitudes. Comment will be edited to reflect that. Initial reply made a valid point.
- Tozen 4y agoYou did nothing wrong in pointing out the difference in attitude. The change in views is arguably indicative to the extent that Vlang was perceived as a real threat, competition, or could become more successful. Vlang has continually maintained its development pace and popularity (https://github.com/vlang/v/releases https://github.com/vlang/v/releases), so that pretending to dismiss it as if it was nothing or attempting to smear the author just does not work. It's not going away. Vlang is also not a one-man show, but has numerous other committed developers, new contributors, and loyal long time supporters.
- rudedogg 4y agoI think the reason Vlang gets so much heat is that they dismiss criticism and make claims that PL people think are misleading. You can see this in the latest Vlang release thread. I suggest those curious take a look at it and judge for themselves.
- Tozen 4y agoActually, what people can find is the author of Vlang has been shown to welcome constructive and helpful criticism versus outright trolling or blatant smearing. For example- "What don't you like about V / what would you like to be changed?" (https://github.com/vlang/v/discussions/7610 https://github.com/vlang/v/discussions/7610).
- nyberg 4y agoIt was rather a failure to deliver on the promises than perceived as a threat to Zig and the target audience for both differ enough that V doesn't have an effect on the success of Zig nor does Zig have an effect on the success of V. They are both reaching for success within their own domains with some but not much overlap. I know you're very fond of V but misrepresenting criticism or a negative view of the project as "fear", "perceived threat", and so on is rather dishonest and a disservice to the project. The above is a comparison of before release and long after where there's been a chance to evaluate V for what it is rather than for what it advertised.
- super_flanker 4y agoI'm not sure how are you getting "look up to" vibe, Andy commented that[1] before vlang was released, solely based on feature lists from vlang's website. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19086589 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19086589