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> Right now our politicians are mostly leaning towards as little change as possible towards a climate change solution. That needs to change. WE need to get invo

> Right now our politicians are mostly leaning towards as little change as possible towards a climate change solution. That needs to change. WE need to get involved and change people's and politician's minds. First, we need to address the economy and inflation. Then, work on technological solutions to CC. When economy is good, everything is great. Sustainable practices sound awesome. But, when populace is struggling, CC agenda will get thrown out of the window real fast whether laptop class people think one way or the other. Most people on HN haven't faced hardships. This is how you crush middle class in the name of CC and then wonder, why we have a war on our hands. Everything is linked to the economy. The pandemic destroyed lives of many and immediately 2 months later, you started seeing protests breakout everywhere. That's not a coincidence.

D13Fd 4y ago
Politicians have been doing their best to improve the economy for a very long time. If we have to wait for them to succeed before we take action on climate change, then we are never taking action on climate change.
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  People need to get a grip. When your child is hungry, you've lost your job because of some elitist regulation (see Dutch farmer protests) and your savings are dwindling; no one gives a fuck about climate change. It would be literally the last thing on their mind. We need to be compassionate and listen to the cries. What worries me are the assholes that are on their laptops all day drinking $15 wheat grass smoothies virtue signaling how they're helping climate change by using paper straws. It makes zero difference, yet they're the loudest people influencing policy decisions. Here is another blow to environmentalists that led EU into the corner, just today: https://www.ft.com/content/cf84dde3-9020-4ee7-a6d0-2809863da2d8 https://www.ft.com/content/cf84dde3-9020-4ee7-a6d0-2809863da... Climate policies are going to dismantle societies into chaos.
tarsinge 4y ago
CC will hurt the economy whether you like it or not. The more we wait, the more pain there will be. The populace is struggling, but it’s nothing compared to what comes so why not start adjusting expectations now? There is still a lot resistance to positive lifestyle changes irrationally perceived negatively (smaller car, smaller house, used clothes, less meat, …). Also to add insult to injury the economy is fine, profits are still high and follow years of records profits for shareholders, employment is low. The money is just not correctly redistributed.
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  > but it’s nothing compared to what comes so why not start adjusting expectations now? What comes next? Climate alarmicism is getting out of control. The deaths from climate catastrophies are like 15x lower than 100 years ago. Collapse of the society due to instability from climate policies (see Sri Lanka) will lead to more deaths and suffering than from sea level rising. Norway managed sea levels rising for last 50 years just fine (from other reasons): https://www.kartverket.no/en/at-sea/se-havniva/sea-level/observed-sea-level-changes-and-their-causes https://www.kartverket.no/en/at-sea/se-havniva/sea-level/obs...

D13Fd 4y ago

Politicians have been doing their best to improve the economy for a very long time. If we have to wait for them to succeed before we take action on climate change, then we are never taking action on climate change.

systemvoltage 4y ago
People need to get a grip. When your child is hungry, you've lost your job because of some elitist regulation (see Dutch farmer protests) and your savings are dwindling; no one gives a fuck about climate change. It would be literally the last thing on their mind. We need to be compassionate and listen to the cries. What worries me are the assholes that are on their laptops all day drinking $15 wheat grass smoothies virtue signaling how they're helping climate change by using paper straws. It makes zero difference, yet they're the loudest people influencing policy decisions. Here is another blow to environmentalists that led EU into the corner, just today: https://www.ft.com/content/cf84dde3-9020-4ee7-a6d0-2809863da2d8 https://www.ft.com/content/cf84dde3-9020-4ee7-a6d0-2809863da... Climate policies are going to dismantle societies into chaos.

tarsinge 4y ago

CC will hurt the economy whether you like it or not. The more we wait, the more pain there will be. The populace is struggling, but it’s nothing compared to what comes so why not start adjusting expectations now? There is still a lot resistance to positive lifestyle changes irrationally perceived negatively (smaller car, smaller house, used clothes, less meat, …). Also to add insult to injury the economy is fine, profits are still high and follow years of records profits for shareholders, employment is low. The money is just not correctly redistributed.

systemvoltage 4y ago
> but it’s nothing compared to what comes so why not start adjusting expectations now? What comes next? Climate alarmicism is getting out of control. The deaths from climate catastrophies are like 15x lower than 100 years ago. Collapse of the society due to instability from climate policies (see Sri Lanka) will lead to more deaths and suffering than from sea level rising. Norway managed sea levels rising for last 50 years just fine (from other reasons): https://www.kartverket.no/en/at-sea/se-havniva/sea-level/observed-sea-level-changes-and-their-causes https://www.kartverket.no/en/at-sea/se-havniva/sea-level/obs...