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Is CRT specifically actionable? Does it suggest anything we can do for racial disparities (besides awareness) that we don't need to do for poverty anyway? And

Is CRT specifically actionable? Does it suggest anything we can do for racial disparities (besides awareness) that we don't need to do for poverty anyway? And while we're at it, why do US-based affirmative action programs not distinguish between descendants of slaves and recent immigrants from Africa (i.e. poor American blacks vs. rich African blacks)? I hear that despite Harvard students being 15% black, the number of undergrads actually descended from slaves can be counted on one's hands.

pxc 4y ago
(I'm not sure that you need this additional context, but benefit from it) > Is CRT specifically actionable? Setting aside for a moment what is CRT, there are debates about problems related to actionability in different accounts of racism on the left. One critique of some accounts is that they are too pessimistic, too mysterious, and too inactionable. You might find this read interesting as an example: https://auth.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/ta-nehisi-coates-racism-afro-pessimism-reparations-class-struggle https://auth.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/ta-nehisi-coates-racism-... > And while we're at it, why do US-based affirmative action programs not distinguish between descendants of slaves and recent immigrants from Africa Some black activists, especially among those demanding reparations for slavery, have sought to form a movement around this question. It's called 'The American Descendants of Slaves' movement. If you Google 'ADOS' you can find movement websites and both sides in various debates
- ravel-bar-foo 4y ago
  Thank you for the article. That was up my alley.
spicymaki 4y ago
> Does it suggest anything we can do for racial disparities (besides awareness) that we don't need to do for poverty anyway? Why not do both? > And while we're at it, why do US-based affirmative action programs not distinguish between descendants of slaves and recent immigrants from Africa Slavery impacted affected West Africa as well. The trade eventually destroyed communities leaving them vulnerable to colonization and exploitation. Some African countries have former slaves e.g. Liberia. Individual slaves were traded multiple times across different countries. Do you include slaves when America was a British colony or only after the revolutionary war. I assume Affirmative action policies pertain to current racism not just past racism.
- ravel-bar-foo 4y ago
  Thank you for the coherent defense of a pan-African-American broad affirmative action. I haven't seen that argument made clearly before.

pxc 4y ago

(I'm not sure that you need this additional context, but benefit from it) > Is CRT specifically actionable? Setting aside for a moment what is CRT, there are debates about problems related to actionability in different accounts of racism on the left. One critique of some accounts is that they are too pessimistic, too mysterious, and too inactionable. You might find this read interesting as an example: https://auth.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/ta-nehisi-coates-racism-afro-pessimism-reparations-class-struggle https://auth.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/ta-nehisi-coates-racism-... > And while we're at it, why do US-based affirmative action programs not distinguish between descendants of slaves and recent immigrants from Africa Some black activists, especially among those demanding reparations for slavery, have sought to form a movement around this question. It's called 'The American Descendants of Slaves' movement. If you Google 'ADOS' you can find movement websites and both sides in various debates

ravel-bar-foo 4y ago
Thank you for the article. That was up my alley.

spicymaki 4y ago

> Does it suggest anything we can do for racial disparities (besides awareness) that we don't need to do for poverty anyway? Why not do both? > And while we're at it, why do US-based affirmative action programs not distinguish between descendants of slaves and recent immigrants from Africa Slavery impacted affected West Africa as well. The trade eventually destroyed communities leaving them vulnerable to colonization and exploitation. Some African countries have former slaves e.g. Liberia. Individual slaves were traded multiple times across different countries. Do you include slaves when America was a British colony or only after the revolutionary war. I assume Affirmative action policies pertain to current racism not just past racism.

ravel-bar-foo 4y ago
Thank you for the coherent defense of a pan-African-American broad affirmative action. I haven't seen that argument made clearly before.