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No, any reaction to “woke” happened later and unfortunately comes from the worst possible places. Woke fits in way more with the general culture than racism and

No, any reaction to “woke” happened later and unfortunately comes from the worst possible places. Woke fits in way more with the general culture than racism and sexism on the GOP spectrum does. Am I going to jump to a conclusion that corporate America deliberately boosted racist perspectives to divide us? No, because that’s not rational and you’re driven by an agenda.

rayiner 4y ago
American culture, and most minorities themselves, still embraces color blindness,[1][2] which wokeness rejects. And it embraces being proud of America and it’s history, which wokeness rejects.[3] Arguments about “GOP racism” might be justified if they were the ones constantly talking about people’s race, but they’re not. In my 33 years in America a Republican has never dared to call me “brown” or “a person of color” or lumped me in with a grab bag of other minorities based solely on skin color. They’re not the ones fighting to legalize discrimination against my kids.[4] My family immigrated to Reagan’s America, where my brother and I could compete on objective standards. My kids will grow up in an America where they’ll have to compete by telling some story about their grandfather growing up in a village in Bangladesh, hoping to appeal to the subjective aesthetics of some white administrator.[5] It’s not the GOP doing that. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2019/05/08/americans-see-advantages-and-challenges-in-countrys-growing-racial-and-ethnic-diversity https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2019/05/08/america... [2] https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2022/05/02/poll-finds-public-doesnt-favor-affirmative-action https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2022/05/02... [3] https://theliberalpatriot.substack.com/p/working-class-and-hispanic-voters https://theliberalpatriot.substack.com/p/working-class-and-h... [4] https://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2021/12/09/biden-administration-backs-harvard-in-affirmative-action-suit/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2021/12/09/biden-adm... [5] https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/thomas-jefferson-high-admissions-fairfax/2020/12/18/d09a2b3c-40b9-11eb-8bc0-ae155bee4aff_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/thomas-jeffer...
- musicale 4y ago
  [2] is interesting, saying "For gender, 82 percent think it shouldn’t be considered" in admissions decisions. However, many universities seem to be opposed to having an imbalance, a situation that would presumably be expected given the gap in high school graduation rates.
- tptacek 4y ago
  The modern GOP isn't the party of Reagan. It's no mystery why the party of Paul Gosar and Steve King is perceived as racist.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    The modern GOP has some racists in it, but at least apologizes for it. The modern Democratic Party has mainlined racism and institutionalized racism in routine interactions business and education. I would 100% rather deal with a Steve King who worries about white replacement, than with all the ways white progressives find to center race, use them as clubs against other white people, and disrespect the autonomy of minority groups.
    - tptacek 4y ago
      This argument would be more persuasive if you could name one of the racists in the Democratic party, and that racism was something ordinary people would recognize as such; by way of example, I just named two Holocaust deniers.
      - rayiner 4y ago
        If you define “racism” as “treating people differently based on race”—a pretty typical definition—Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren and most other Democratic politicians would count. It’s a different, more patronizing and paternalistic racism, but it’s racism nonetheless. Indeed, this sort of racism is pervasive among at least progressive democrats. See: https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/white-liberals-present-themselves-as-less-competent-in-interactions-with-african-americans https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/white-liberals-presen.... It’s been wild to me to realize how many progressives I know would hate Bangladeshis if they were white. But as far as I can tell they don’t think non-whites have moral agency.
nemo44x 4y ago
> Am I going to jump to a conclusion that corporate America deliberately boosted racist perspectives to divide us? Look who funds universities with large endowments and specifically which departments and buildings they fund. Money means priority and importance and is upstream of culture. It’s no coincidence that what were fringe ideas that were mainly academic (for decades) and an extension of theoretical post modern philosophy departments very quickly became the truth according to the same power structures that own mainstream cultural energy sources. Judith Butler and Kimberlé Crenshaw probably can’t even believe it.

rayiner 4y ago

American culture, and most minorities themselves, still embraces color blindness,[1][2] which wokeness rejects. And it embraces being proud of America and it’s history, which wokeness rejects.[3] Arguments about “GOP racism” might be justified if they were the ones constantly talking about people’s race, but they’re not. In my 33 years in America a Republican has never dared to call me “brown” or “a person of color” or lumped me in with a grab bag of other minorities based solely on skin color. They’re not the ones fighting to legalize discrimination against my kids.[4] My family immigrated to Reagan’s America, where my brother and I could compete on objective standards. My kids will grow up in an America where they’ll have to compete by telling some story about their grandfather growing up in a village in Bangladesh, hoping to appeal to the subjective aesthetics of some white administrator.[5] It’s not the GOP doing that. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2019/05/08/americans-see-advantages-and-challenges-in-countrys-growing-racial-and-ethnic-diversity https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2019/05/08/america... [2] https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2022/05/02/poll-finds-public-doesnt-favor-affirmative-action https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2022/05/02... [3] https://theliberalpatriot.substack.com/p/working-class-and-hispanic-voters https://theliberalpatriot.substack.com/p/working-class-and-h... [4] https://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2021/12/09/biden-administration-backs-harvard-in-affirmative-action-suit/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2021/12/09/biden-adm... [5] https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/thomas-jefferson-high-admissions-fairfax/2020/12/18/d09a2b3c-40b9-11eb-8bc0-ae155bee4aff_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/thomas-jeffer...

musicale 4y ago
[2] is interesting, saying "For gender, 82 percent think it shouldn’t be considered" in admissions decisions. However, many universities seem to be opposed to having an imbalance, a situation that would presumably be expected given the gap in high school graduation rates.
tptacek 4y ago
The modern GOP isn't the party of Reagan. It's no mystery why the party of Paul Gosar and Steve King is perceived as racist.
- rayiner 4y ago
  The modern GOP has some racists in it, but at least apologizes for it. The modern Democratic Party has mainlined racism and institutionalized racism in routine interactions business and education. I would 100% rather deal with a Steve King who worries about white replacement, than with all the ways white progressives find to center race, use them as clubs against other white people, and disrespect the autonomy of minority groups.
  - tptacek 4y ago
    This argument would be more persuasive if you could name one of the racists in the Democratic party, and that racism was something ordinary people would recognize as such; by way of example, I just named two Holocaust deniers.
    - rayiner 4y ago
      If you define “racism” as “treating people differently based on race”—a pretty typical definition—Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren and most other Democratic politicians would count. It’s a different, more patronizing and paternalistic racism, but it’s racism nonetheless. Indeed, this sort of racism is pervasive among at least progressive democrats. See: https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/white-liberals-present-themselves-as-less-competent-in-interactions-with-african-americans https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/white-liberals-presen.... It’s been wild to me to realize how many progressives I know would hate Bangladeshis if they were white. But as far as I can tell they don’t think non-whites have moral agency.

nemo44x 4y ago

> Am I going to jump to a conclusion that corporate America deliberately boosted racist perspectives to divide us? Look who funds universities with large endowments and specifically which departments and buildings they fund. Money means priority and importance and is upstream of culture. It’s no coincidence that what were fringe ideas that were mainly academic (for decades) and an extension of theoretical post modern philosophy departments very quickly became the truth according to the same power structures that own mainstream cultural energy sources. Judith Butler and Kimberlé Crenshaw probably can’t even believe it.