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>Assault rifles are for assault and we don’t need more assault. So why have them? Because a few people think it’s cool to own? People who think this should hav

>Assault rifles are for assault and we don’t need more assault. So why have them? Because a few people think it’s cool to own? People who think this should have a grizzly bear run at them at least once. Having seen it from a car I became pro-minigun instantly.

watwut 4y ago
You claim people have assault rifles to shoot suddenly attacking grizzly bears? And keep shooting ready?
seer 4y ago
Let's see how a place like Romania manage it - lots of bears in the Carpathian Mountains, _very_ strict gun laws. Friends were traveling to the famous https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfăgărășan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfăgărășan just for kicks and halfway through they got SMS alerts "Bears in the vicinity" even though they were visiting foreigners. They actually saw the bears on the road itself, but a quickly dispatched van with park rangers arrived at the scene, mostly to control the traffic and protect the bears from all the people in the death machines, as well as tourists "making selfies with the bears" ... after some minutes the bears tired of the situation and left the road. I guess my point is its a matter of implementing "a greater good" measure, and then fixing the edge cases with some smart policies / tech / people. Like in tech sometimes its worth it to implement a big refactor that would enable faster / better code, even though it might lead to some edge cases that need to be addressed. Its tricky of course but such a _massive_ win as gun laws just can't be ignored I think. It's like complaining that if you change your lead pipes to copper / plastic is too much work, and who cares if some people die of lead poisoning now and again, but leaks are much easier to fix with lead ... and you already have so much stock of pipes just not worth it ... P.S. I'm truly sorry if this leads to a flame work and I know its a sensitive topic, but from a European perspective the threat of violent uprising has always been such a weird thing to put as a "benefit" having rifles around. Like if your system is designed in such a way that violence is a "check" on something ... is it really a good system? Like sure governors feel a bit scared of loonies with rifles killing them for their transgressions, but wouldn't it be better that people actually rely on safer and more gentle political transitions rather than coup d'état? And I don't think gun laws ever prevented disgruntled constituents to kill government officials - e.g. Abe in Japan.
- thrown_22 4y ago
  You do realize the grizzly isn't the European brown bear right? European brown bears are cuddly lovable puppies by comparison, grizzlies are murder machines with an attitude which can outrun and out climb you. >I guess my point is its a matter of implementing "a greater good" measure, and then fixing the edge cases with some smart policies / tech / people. This is a prime example of being confidently wrong and making moral judgments from ignorance. It's easy to put down "those people" living in the mountains when you've never been there. It's even easier to make laws that kill them since they are obviously too stupid to know what's good for them and you'll never have to see them. Federalism is a good thing, and not just when you can smoke weed.
- sumedh 4y ago
  > the threat of violent uprising has always been such a weird thing to put as a "benefit" having rifles around. How are things in Ukraine? 20 years ago do you think anyone in Ukraine would have imagined Russia would be bombing their cities? You never know when a situation changes and you need an armed population.
benou 4y ago
I love hiking into remote areas, including "bear country". I have seen black bears and grizzly bears while hiking. You do not need assault rifles, this sounds silly and over the top. You just need to be aware of your surroundings, follow the rules and have a bear spray : https://www.nps.gov/subjects/bears/safety.htm https://www.nps.gov/subjects/bears/safety.htm
- thrown_22 4y ago
  A bear charging at you at full tilt gives you all of half a second to get it with the 9 meter range of bear spray. That's roughly how long it takes you to hit two keyboard keys in a row.
wing-_-nuts 4y ago
What a ridiculous argument. Most of the artic guides I've seen are running around with beat up 12ga pumps and slugs.
vineyardmike 4y ago
This is such a ridiculously specific situation most people won’t ever be in. It’s such a small portion of the population that would have such a need for a gun that it can be handled as a special case in laws. No reason the rest of society can’t be safe.

watwut 4y ago

You claim people have assault rifles to shoot suddenly attacking grizzly bears? And keep shooting ready?

seer 4y ago

Let's see how a place like Romania manage it - lots of bears in the Carpathian Mountains, _very_ strict gun laws. Friends were traveling to the famous https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfăgărășan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfăgărășan just for kicks and halfway through they got SMS alerts "Bears in the vicinity" even though they were visiting foreigners. They actually saw the bears on the road itself, but a quickly dispatched van with park rangers arrived at the scene, mostly to control the traffic and protect the bears from all the people in the death machines, as well as tourists "making selfies with the bears" ... after some minutes the bears tired of the situation and left the road. I guess my point is its a matter of implementing "a greater good" measure, and then fixing the edge cases with some smart policies / tech / people. Like in tech sometimes its worth it to implement a big refactor that would enable faster / better code, even though it might lead to some edge cases that need to be addressed. Its tricky of course but such a _massive_ win as gun laws just can't be ignored I think. It's like complaining that if you change your lead pipes to copper / plastic is too much work, and who cares if some people die of lead poisoning now and again, but leaks are much easier to fix with lead ... and you already have so much stock of pipes just not worth it ... P.S. I'm truly sorry if this leads to a flame work and I know its a sensitive topic, but from a European perspective the threat of violent uprising has always been such a weird thing to put as a "benefit" having rifles around. Like if your system is designed in such a way that violence is a "check" on something ... is it really a good system? Like sure governors feel a bit scared of loonies with rifles killing them for their transgressions, but wouldn't it be better that people actually rely on safer and more gentle political transitions rather than coup d'état? And I don't think gun laws ever prevented disgruntled constituents to kill government officials - e.g. Abe in Japan.

thrown_22 4y ago
You do realize the grizzly isn't the European brown bear right? European brown bears are cuddly lovable puppies by comparison, grizzlies are murder machines with an attitude which can outrun and out climb you. >I guess my point is its a matter of implementing "a greater good" measure, and then fixing the edge cases with some smart policies / tech / people. This is a prime example of being confidently wrong and making moral judgments from ignorance. It's easy to put down "those people" living in the mountains when you've never been there. It's even easier to make laws that kill them since they are obviously too stupid to know what's good for them and you'll never have to see them. Federalism is a good thing, and not just when you can smoke weed.
sumedh 4y ago
> the threat of violent uprising has always been such a weird thing to put as a "benefit" having rifles around. How are things in Ukraine? 20 years ago do you think anyone in Ukraine would have imagined Russia would be bombing their cities? You never know when a situation changes and you need an armed population.

benou 4y ago

I love hiking into remote areas, including "bear country". I have seen black bears and grizzly bears while hiking. You do not need assault rifles, this sounds silly and over the top. You just need to be aware of your surroundings, follow the rules and have a bear spray : https://www.nps.gov/subjects/bears/safety.htm https://www.nps.gov/subjects/bears/safety.htm

thrown_22 4y ago
A bear charging at you at full tilt gives you all of half a second to get it with the 9 meter range of bear spray. That's roughly how long it takes you to hit two keyboard keys in a row.

wing-_-nuts 4y ago

What a ridiculous argument. Most of the artic guides I've seen are running around with beat up 12ga pumps and slugs.

vineyardmike 4y ago

This is such a ridiculously specific situation most people won’t ever be in. It’s such a small portion of the population that would have such a need for a gun that it can be handled as a special case in laws. No reason the rest of society can’t be safe.