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Counter question: What's the point of surviving in a world where most of humanity will suffer terrible deaths? Aren't we better off focusing our energy on tryin

Counter question: What's the point of surviving in a world where most of humanity will suffer terrible deaths? Aren't we better off focusing our energy on trying to effect change, helping the commons, instead of purely focusing on the self?

dj_gitmo 4y ago
You still have to make decisions about your own life. Are you going to settle down in region that is expected to dry up or be hit by mega-storms?
- groby_b 4y ago
  Sure, but that's not really a "survival strategy". Will people migrate over time? Yes. Does migrating now vs. later make a difference? Much less certain - because those people migrating later? They're probably going to the same places the "migrate now" people have moved to. And at that point, it's going to be wholly unpleasant for both groups. I mean, yes. Don't buy farm real estate in Arizona, or waterfront property in Miami.
kshahkshah 4y ago
Because mass action has proven impossible due to moneyed interests and politics. So while you could and should what you’ve said I think the goal of the question is to understand how others are hedging their bets
- riku_iki 4y ago
  You can do multi-goal optimization: try to become rich and powerful: it will increase your chances of personal survival but also you can direct your power on helping humanity.
- guelo 4y ago
  Probably futile attacks on the moneyed interests is my "doing something".
- groby_b 4y ago
  Not that I'd advocate anything, but there are several orders of magnitude more normal people than moneyed interest people. There's a fix available. As for hedging - I'm fairly certain that, for people living affluent outside the tropics or high latitudes means that the effects that'll really get them are largely systemic. There's not much hedging to be done. (Sure, some areas will have slightly milder climate extremes, but food's still gonna be scarce. Pandemic and war will still be felt. Civil war is an option almost everywhere. Migration will still heavily impact local economies.) That's why I asked the counter-question - to highlight that this is really, if we want to or not, either a collective undertaking or certain misery. Isolation, or even anything but very basic hedging, is not really feasible for most people on this site.
refurb 4y ago
Most of humanity will suffer terrible deaths? No.

dj_gitmo 4y ago

You still have to make decisions about your own life. Are you going to settle down in region that is expected to dry up or be hit by mega-storms?

groby_b 4y ago
Sure, but that's not really a "survival strategy". Will people migrate over time? Yes. Does migrating now vs. later make a difference? Much less certain - because those people migrating later? They're probably going to the same places the "migrate now" people have moved to. And at that point, it's going to be wholly unpleasant for both groups. I mean, yes. Don't buy farm real estate in Arizona, or waterfront property in Miami.

kshahkshah 4y ago

Because mass action has proven impossible due to moneyed interests and politics. So while you could and should what you’ve said I think the goal of the question is to understand how others are hedging their bets

riku_iki 4y ago
You can do multi-goal optimization: try to become rich and powerful: it will increase your chances of personal survival but also you can direct your power on helping humanity.
guelo 4y ago
Probably futile attacks on the moneyed interests is my "doing something".
groby_b 4y ago
Not that I'd advocate anything, but there are several orders of magnitude more normal people than moneyed interest people. There's a fix available. As for hedging - I'm fairly certain that, for people living affluent outside the tropics or high latitudes means that the effects that'll really get them are largely systemic. There's not much hedging to be done. (Sure, some areas will have slightly milder climate extremes, but food's still gonna be scarce. Pandemic and war will still be felt. Civil war is an option almost everywhere. Migration will still heavily impact local economies.) That's why I asked the counter-question - to highlight that this is really, if we want to or not, either a collective undertaking or certain misery. Isolation, or even anything but very basic hedging, is not really feasible for most people on this site.

refurb 4y ago

Most of humanity will suffer terrible deaths? No.