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Not sure 40k deaths per year and countless more severe injuries, permanent disabilities, and financial destitutions count as it going mostly ok

988747 4y ago
It can be if you compare it to: 1. Total US population, and total deaths per year 2. Amount of miles traveled yearly.
- scoofy 4y ago
  Except that they are dramatically higher than in comparable countries. It's very obvious that the US is overwhelmingly worse off in traffic deaths.
  - sicp-enjoyer 4y ago
    Do americans travel more miles than is typical in those countries?
    - Moru 4y ago
      Very mixed ages and completeness of the data in this list [1] but it seems USA is pretty high on death per kilometer (fifth) of those countries that has data on kilometer traveled. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-r...
    - scoofy 4y ago
      Measure in “trips” not miles. Measuring in miles rewards suburban culture. Highway driving isn’t where deaths happen. They happen most on urban roads.
      - throwaway0a5e 4y ago
        Screw you both. Measure butt-in-seat hours.
        scoofy 4y ago
        That doesn’t count people who don’t get in a car wreck, simply because they walked to buy groceries
        throwaway0a5e 4y ago
        Aren't we comparing drivers vs drivers here? If we aren't then you're just measuring the fraction of the population that drives (which is largely a reflection of wealth and demographics) which isn't really a measurement of the safeness of the roads and driving.
        scoofy 4y ago
        We’re talking about people killed trying to move around the place they live. Butt-in-seat hours is a fine way to measure automobile vs automobile stats, but when we’re talking about deaths from transportation, counting only automobile hours is silly. There are various ways to get around a city, and the way you do that hardly matters if it suits the purposes of that trip.

988747 4y ago

It can be if you compare it to: 1. Total US population, and total deaths per year 2. Amount of miles traveled yearly.

scoofy 4y ago
Except that they are dramatically higher than in comparable countries. It's very obvious that the US is overwhelmingly worse off in traffic deaths.
- sicp-enjoyer 4y ago
  Do americans travel more miles than is typical in those countries?
  - Moru 4y ago
    Very mixed ages and completeness of the data in this list [1] but it seems USA is pretty high on death per kilometer (fifth) of those countries that has data on kilometer traveled. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-r...
  - scoofy 4y ago
    Measure in “trips” not miles. Measuring in miles rewards suburban culture. Highway driving isn’t where deaths happen. They happen most on urban roads.
    - throwaway0a5e 4y ago
      Screw you both. Measure butt-in-seat hours.
      - scoofy 4y ago
        That doesn’t count people who don’t get in a car wreck, simply because they walked to buy groceries
        throwaway0a5e 4y ago
        Aren't we comparing drivers vs drivers here? If we aren't then you're just measuring the fraction of the population that drives (which is largely a reflection of wealth and demographics) which isn't really a measurement of the safeness of the roads and driving.
        scoofy 4y ago
        We’re talking about people killed trying to move around the place they live. Butt-in-seat hours is a fine way to measure automobile vs automobile stats, but when we’re talking about deaths from transportation, counting only automobile hours is silly. There are various ways to get around a city, and the way you do that hardly matters if it suits the purposes of that trip.