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> Dems appeal among actual working class people (read: usually minorities who don't own quarter million dollar trucks) remains extremely strong. This is a perf

> Dems appeal among actual working class people (read: usually minorities who don't own quarter million dollar trucks) remains extremely strong. This is a perfect example of why I cannot call myself a democrat anymore. Can you not see how an unemployed white person in the rust belt who lost his job because the factory he worked at was moved to China because of NAFTA may interpret this as extremely dismissive? Why should he vote for someone who claims that he isn't a "real" working class person?

joshuamorton 4y ago
I'm confused, are you saying this jobless rust belt person owns a quarter million dollar 18-wheeler? I'm certainly not saying that white people can't be working class. That'd be silly. What I am saying is that often, we pretend that very affluent rural whites are "working class" to the deficit of urban (and often minority) working class people. Edit: I'm really having a hard time understanding how you've turned my statement which was functionally "nonwhite people can also be working class" into "white people cannot be working class". So I'm going to disengage.
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- colpabar 4y ago
  > I'm confused, are you saying this jobless rust belt person owns a quarter million dollar 18-wheeler? No, I'm not, and I think you know that I'm not. I grew up around people like this - rich kids who would put exhaust stacks on their lifted F350s - so I know what you mean. My point is that the dem response to the hollowing out of the american working class (obligatory bill clinton approved NAFTA mention) seems to be "should've gone to college lol". Like it or not, white people are the majority in america, so it seems extremely counterproductive to only consider the needs of the "real" (read: not white) working class people instead of the entire group.
- rayiner 4y ago
  No, you said “actual working class people” are “usually minorities.” That’s both wildly inaccurate and dismissive of working class white people.

joshuamorton 4y ago

I'm confused, are you saying this jobless rust belt person owns a quarter million dollar 18-wheeler? I'm certainly not saying that white people can't be working class. That'd be silly. What I am saying is that often, we pretend that very affluent rural whites are "working class" to the deficit of urban (and often minority) working class people. Edit: I'm really having a hard time understanding how you've turned my statement which was functionally "nonwhite people can also be working class" into "white people cannot be working class". So I'm going to disengage.

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colpabar 4y ago
> I'm confused, are you saying this jobless rust belt person owns a quarter million dollar 18-wheeler? No, I'm not, and I think you know that I'm not. I grew up around people like this - rich kids who would put exhaust stacks on their lifted F350s - so I know what you mean. My point is that the dem response to the hollowing out of the american working class (obligatory bill clinton approved NAFTA mention) seems to be "should've gone to college lol". Like it or not, white people are the majority in america, so it seems extremely counterproductive to only consider the needs of the "real" (read: not white) working class people instead of the entire group.
rayiner 4y ago
No, you said “actual working class people” are “usually minorities.” That’s both wildly inaccurate and dismissive of working class white people.