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Just because you happen not to have heard of them doesn't mean that they're likely to sell your data. It may be hard to imagine, but people living in Europe may

by twiss 4y ago

Just because you happen not to have heard of them doesn't mean that they're likely to sell your data. It may be hard to imagine, but people living in Europe may trust these services more than Google and Microsoft, and may not appreciate those companies giving away their services for free in exchange for mining our data and showing us ads :)

pelasaco 4y ago
You will never be sure if they are selling your data or not or if they have backdoor (intentonally or not) to law enforcement and co. From the school point of view, i can tell You,they failed miserably in supporting arabic, old mobile devices and others conditions needed in Germany. Other german players couldnt keep up with high traffic during pandemics..Google in the other hand was fine. You should just anonymize the accounts and dont use it privately. But employees or zeelots downvoting and discussing here didnt have to deal with that.I did;)
pelasaco 4y ago
Btw your solution to google docs failed too. We tried many german solutions, but as the new normal in Germany, you all overpromisse and under deliver...
- twiss 4y ago
  Yeah, probably that was too much work to take on for one person. I hope there will be a better alternative to Google Docs soon :)
  - pelasaco 4y ago
    but if there is not, why force the schools and kids to go through a set of tools that really isn't helping? It is a disservice to our community. We should be thinking how can we still use the best tool for the job but with the necessary layer of security and privacy. I privately use Protonmail and Protonvpn, but that's not about me but the educational system in Germany, having to support 10 million children. This rhetoric, IMO should go away.
    - twiss 4y ago
      Why do you think that that's not a goal and possible outcome of GDPR? The article says that > Google has indicated that it plans to fix the privacy concerns by August 2023 to me that seems rather slow, as they've known about GDPR for years, but perhaps these kinds of measures are exactly what's required to get Google to act. And then, if by August 2023 the privacy of Google's services is improved, then GDPR will have achieved something valuable, I think. (Separately, I think it would still be valuable to have some alternatives, but the two are not mutually exclusive.)
      - pelasaco 4y ago
        I absolute agree that we should have more alternatives. But to try to sell a solution to the education system in a country, we should be sure that it works flawless in all different setups out there. For you and me, we can hack around and accept some weakness in name of open source or alternative. We do that as Linux desktop users since.. forever? :)

by twiss 4y ago

pelasaco 4y ago

You will never be sure if they are selling your data or not or if they have backdoor (intentonally or not) to law enforcement and co. From the school point of view, i can tell You,they failed miserably in supporting arabic, old mobile devices and others conditions needed in Germany. Other german players couldnt keep up with high traffic during pandemics..Google in the other hand was fine. You should just anonymize the accounts and dont use it privately. But employees or zeelots downvoting and discussing here didnt have to deal with that.I did;)

pelasaco 4y ago

Btw your solution to google docs failed too. We tried many german solutions, but as the new normal in Germany, you all overpromisse and under deliver...

twiss 4y ago
Yeah, probably that was too much work to take on for one person. I hope there will be a better alternative to Google Docs soon :)
- pelasaco 4y ago
  but if there is not, why force the schools and kids to go through a set of tools that really isn't helping? It is a disservice to our community. We should be thinking how can we still use the best tool for the job but with the necessary layer of security and privacy. I privately use Protonmail and Protonvpn, but that's not about me but the educational system in Germany, having to support 10 million children. This rhetoric, IMO should go away.
  - twiss 4y ago
    Why do you think that that's not a goal and possible outcome of GDPR? The article says that > Google has indicated that it plans to fix the privacy concerns by August 2023 to me that seems rather slow, as they've known about GDPR for years, but perhaps these kinds of measures are exactly what's required to get Google to act. And then, if by August 2023 the privacy of Google's services is improved, then GDPR will have achieved something valuable, I think. (Separately, I think it would still be valuable to have some alternatives, but the two are not mutually exclusive.)
    - pelasaco 4y ago
      I absolute agree that we should have more alternatives. But to try to sell a solution to the education system in a country, we should be sure that it works flawless in all different setups out there. For you and me, we can hack around and accept some weakness in name of open source or alternative. We do that as Linux desktop users since.. forever? :)