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> being able to pay for a repair person to come and fix my work machine In the context of the Framework, I think it seems to be the intention of the designers

by uoaei 4y ago

> being able to pay for a repair person to come and fix my work machine In the context of the Framework, I think it seems to be the intention of the designers that you buy replacement parts and replace them yourself.

Kukumber 4y ago
It should be much cheaper then It cost more than a macbook ARM, and you get less perf, worse battery, worse cooling, and less support, yes you get to repair it yourself and more easily, but i never had to repair my macbooks (other than changing the battery, and that was easy to do myself, and looks like it is still easy on the ARM ones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l_Dw_5_JJk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l_Dw_5_JJk)
- smoldesu 4y ago
  This isn't a Macbook Air, though. This is a workstation laptop with serious IO, serious repairability considerations and serious x86 performance. If you're the sort of person who doesn't know/care about that stuff, you'd probably be better off with an iPad anyways. In any case, these machines are not even remotely as close as people paint them to be. That Macbook Air won't have a 32-gig (or 64 gig) option for memory, much less a fully replaceable and upgradable mainboard with swappable NVMe drives. Plus, it's only got a paltry 2 ports of IO, one of which will be occupied by the charger (the other presumably plugged into the SINGLE DISPLAY that the Air supports). They're different devices for different people. I think the Framework is surprisingly cheap for what it offers, and I'll happily pick one up when the Alder Lake models get stocked.
emacsen 4y ago
That's a lovely idea, but I simply don't have the ability to do that. I think it's great that we're able to fix our own machines, and I think it's wonderful to teach people to fix their own machines, but it's ablist to assume everyone has the ability to do so. I don't. Moreover, there are lots of people who support Right to Repair but don't want to have to repair their own equipment. Wouldn't it be lovely to be able to take your computer down to a repair shop or have someone come over and fix it?
- uoaei 4y ago
  Absolutely. Of course no one is saying you cannot or should not send it to a local repair shop. The point is just that it seems misdirected to fault Framework the company for not offering these kinds of services when anyone with a job at a repair shop should be expected to be able to repair this model if they have competency in other less repairable models. You are right my reply was framed in ableist language. I apologize for that -- I appreciate your feedback and will try to do better going forward.

by uoaei 4y ago

Kukumber 4y ago

It should be much cheaper then It cost more than a macbook ARM, and you get less perf, worse battery, worse cooling, and less support, yes you get to repair it yourself and more easily, but i never had to repair my macbooks (other than changing the battery, and that was easy to do myself, and looks like it is still easy on the ARM ones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l_Dw_5_JJk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l_Dw_5_JJk)

smoldesu 4y ago
This isn't a Macbook Air, though. This is a workstation laptop with serious IO, serious repairability considerations and serious x86 performance. If you're the sort of person who doesn't know/care about that stuff, you'd probably be better off with an iPad anyways. In any case, these machines are not even remotely as close as people paint them to be. That Macbook Air won't have a 32-gig (or 64 gig) option for memory, much less a fully replaceable and upgradable mainboard with swappable NVMe drives. Plus, it's only got a paltry 2 ports of IO, one of which will be occupied by the charger (the other presumably plugged into the SINGLE DISPLAY that the Air supports). They're different devices for different people. I think the Framework is surprisingly cheap for what it offers, and I'll happily pick one up when the Alder Lake models get stocked.

emacsen 4y ago

That's a lovely idea, but I simply don't have the ability to do that. I think it's great that we're able to fix our own machines, and I think it's wonderful to teach people to fix their own machines, but it's ablist to assume everyone has the ability to do so. I don't. Moreover, there are lots of people who support Right to Repair but don't want to have to repair their own equipment. Wouldn't it be lovely to be able to take your computer down to a repair shop or have someone come over and fix it?

uoaei 4y ago
Absolutely. Of course no one is saying you cannot or should not send it to a local repair shop. The point is just that it seems misdirected to fault Framework the company for not offering these kinds of services when anyone with a job at a repair shop should be expected to be able to repair this model if they have competency in other less repairable models. You are right my reply was framed in ableist language. I apologize for that -- I appreciate your feedback and will try to do better going forward.